RE: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear Compile error - related to openal

2004-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Heckel wrote: I encountered a compile error when make the simgear-0.3.7 for FlightGear-0.9.6. I am working with Cygwin in windows 2000 and I have plib and Zlib done. What I did: - download OpenAL from CVS. - put the openal in /usr/local/source - cd openal/linux $ ./autogen.sh $

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-11-22 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Jim Couch set up a freebsd machine and gave me an account on it. I don't know what release he installed, but it was running gcc-3.3.3 if that says anything to you. The current RELEASE has 3.4.2 as their default compiler, so yours is older. You can't do distinct

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/sound soundmgr_openal.cxx,

2004-11-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/SimGear/simgear/sound In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv16290 Modified Files: soundmgr_openal.cxx xmlsound.cxx Log Message: Melchior FRANZ: At last I've found the reason why fgfs crashed routinely for me. When I still

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Data/AI

2004-11-22 Thread Martin Spott
Lee Elliott wrote: On Sunday 21 November 2004 21:58, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..you forget this plane was made to fight WWIII. ;-). In a nut shell, you've got it. Well, the project started in the late fifties, way past WWII. technical/manufacturing problems (there have been a surprisingly

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear not compiling for me

2004-11-22 Thread Stephen Greene
Hi Fred, That worked. FlightGear is now compiling and more importantly linking for me. Thanks again. S Greene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frederic Bouvier Sent: 19 November 2004 17:19 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: RE:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-11-22 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: This has nothing to do with _this_ patch, you must be referring to another one. Hmmm, yes, it actually looked a bit strange to me, too, but I copied the patch from the posting and applied it to my copy of the tree. Maybe I picked the wrong file for patching confusion

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-11-22 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: This has nothing to do with _this_ patch, you must be referring to another one. You're absolutely right. I was juggling with several patches and as a result of my confusion I finally hit the wrong posting. Actually this one would have been correct: I don't understand why

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-11-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: You're absolutely right. I was juggling with several patches and as a result of my confusion I finally hit the wrong posting. Actually this one would have been correct: I don't understand why FreeBSD doesn't see isnan() after including math.h but it doesn't. Trying the apple

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-11-22 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: I don't understand why FreeBSD doesn't see isnan() after including math.h but it doesn't. Trying the apple approach to fixing isnan results in an infinite loop (making me wonder what happens on OSX?) This is an alternative approach to checking isnan() on freebsd ...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-11-22 Thread Martin Spott
Norman Vine wrote: according to this http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/glibc/libc_404.html isnan() is only defined for BSD for ISO C99 Might this be related to using different compilers? Curt uses GCC-3.3.3 and I have 3.4.2, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Magnetic Compass

2004-11-22 Thread Martin Spott
David Megginson wrote: That is a problem for all kinds of things in the panel. In real life, you cannot see everything at once, of course -- you move your eyes, head, and even your whole upper body around (I have to put my head nearly on my passengers left shoulder to get a good view of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Magnetic Compass

2004-11-22 Thread David Megginson
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:09:10 + (UTC), Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmmmh, depending on who your copilot is In a C150 things are much easier because the compass is very close - as is your copilot :-) In the Warrior, you can see the numbers fine, but because you're looking at

[Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Chuck Cole
Has anyone tried to use the output of FlightGear (v.0.9.6)? Ive seen in the archives where people have tried to drive the flight model (i.e., as input), but I havent been able to find any posts regarding getting data from the model. Specifically, Im trying to get the surface position

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Chuck Cole wrote: Has anyone tried to use the output of FlightGear (v.0.9.6)? Ive seen in the archives where people have tried to drive the flight model (i.e., as input), but I havent been able to find any posts regarding getting data from the model. Specifically, Im trying to get the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Magnetic Compass

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
David Megginson wrote: I understand that there are USB devices that you can wear on your head to control the view in games, and those would probably work in FlightGear, but it would be hard to survive the ridicule from family, friends, and neighbours for wearing one. LOL, that would indeed be very

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Erik Hofman wrote: Chuck Cole wrote: [...] Any help would be greatly appreciated. If someone could give me some instructions on building the projects myself, I should be able to debug myself, but again, Ive been unable to do so (Ive already gone through the Getting Started documents on the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Chuck Cole wrote: Has anyone tried to use the output of FlightGear (v.0.9.6)? Ive seen in the archives where people have tried to drive the flight model (i.e., as input), but I havent been able to find any posts regarding getting data from the model. Specifically, Im trying to get the surface

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Currently there is a problem where different platforms, different OS's or even different compilers can get different output due to the fact that structs are used to send data across the network. This can create endian-problems as well as packed/unpacked

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Chuck Cole
Thanks. I suppose since the other software that I'm using is built with VC++ 6.0, then I'll need to learn how to build FlightGear with that. If there is someone reading this that can help me with that, I'd appreciate it. I would note that other values seem to come out fine, such as those

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:02:09 -0600 Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How hard would it be to allow aircraft to live in an arbitrary structure underneath data/Aircraft? From a JSBSim FDM point of view, I've been giving this some thought with respect to standalone JSBSim, as well. There

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear Compile error - related to openal

2004-11-22 Thread Dale E. Edmons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all, I encountered a compile error when make the simgear-0.3.7 for FlightGear-0.9.6. I am working with Cygwin in windows 2000 and I have plib and Zlib done. What I did: - download OpenAL from CVS. - put the openal in /usr/local/source - cd openal/linux $ ./autogen.sh

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Chuck Cole
Thanks. I will look at the code again in those files. I noted in my earlier response though that other values seem to be read correctly. But those values are not casted like the surface position variables are in the native_fdm.cxx file (variables are declared as float but values retrieved are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Garmin GNS 530 (was: Quick report from AOPA)

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
This is something that I intended to post already weeks ago - it's likely to exceed the mysterious 1024 byte limit, though ;-) Curtis Olson wrote: A lot of people asked about GPS modeling which we (and FlightGear) really don't do a good job of yet. There are few flight simulators that really

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Curtis L. Olson wrote: However, as things stand right now. We have oodles of references to stuff as ../../../Instruments/hsi.xml etc. If we move an aircraft one directory level deeper (or more) all those relative references break. :-( Well, this is then about relative paths, it could probably

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: What's wrong with network byte order? I wouldn't know. I was never able to test it because I have one x86 machine and one MIPS machine. The difference in handling of the structs prevented me from testing the network byte order issue. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Garmin GNS 530

2004-11-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Boris, I got about 20% through your message before I ran out of steam, but if you talk to Bill again, why don't you propose that they keep their application closed source and proprietary. Having seen the commercial side of life just a bit, there are good reasons for these guys to be careful.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:29:36 -0600 Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon S Berndt wrote: I don't think we need to kill ourselves trying to be overly flexible. I think it's worth having a central repository of commonly used items (engines, instruments, etc.) An aircraft could refer to a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Giles Robertson
Two points: 1) Relative vs. Absolute links. Relative links makes it tricky, to say the least, to shift a/c around (though I think I have a relative -- absolute python function kicking around somewhere; it's not hard). I can recall some dislike of absolute links. In some ways, a resource-identifier

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Giles Robertson wrote: Two points: 1) Relative vs. Absolute links. Relative links makes it tricky, to say the least, to shift a/c around (though I think I have a relative -- absolute python function kicking around somewhere; it's not hard). I can recall some dislike of absolute links. In some

RE: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear Compile error - related to openal

2004-11-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Dale E. Edmons wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all, I encountered a compile error when make the simgear-0.3.7 for FlightGear-0.9.6. I am working with Cygwin in windows 2000 and I have plib and Zlib done. ... snip ... Got to /etc/ld.so.conf and see if it has /usr/local/lib or

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Giles Robertson
That's much neater than what I suggested. How many of these variables do we need so that the directory for the a/c does not have to be a subdirectory of $FG_ROOT? Giles Robertson -Original Message- From: Boris Koenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2004 21:50 To: FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Garmin GNS 530

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Boris, I got about 20% through your message before I ran out of steam, sounds like you are somewhat related to Erik ;-) but if you talk to Bill again, why don't you propose that they keep their application closed source and proprietary. Having seen the commercial side of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I think step #1 needs to be making aircraft relocatable. If I did get everything right, the major problem is that aircraft rely on instruments and other devices that reside in abitrary locations within the $FG_ROOT directory structure. As a workaround it might really be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Data/AI

2004-11-22 Thread Lee Elliott
On Monday 22 November 2004 01:28, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:24:38 +, Lee wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sunday 21 November 2004 21:58, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:32:12 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lee

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Giles Robertson wrote: That's much neater than what I suggested. How many of these variables do we need so that the directory for the a/c does not have to be a subdirectory of $FG_ROOT? I haven't yet really looked into aircraft design/development, so I cannot really comment on the paths that are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Lee Elliott
On Monday 22 November 2004 22:43, Boris Koenig wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I think step #1 needs to be making aircraft relocatable. If I did get everything right, the major problem is that aircraft rely on instruments and other devices that reside in abitrary locations within the $FG_ROOT

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Lee Elliott wrote: The downside would be that an installer/un-installer would become a necessity. I think that issue was discussed some time ago on the user list ? Probably, it would already be sufficient to simply package aircraft folders as tar archives in order to simplify installation ? If I

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Magnetic Compass

2004-11-22 Thread Alex Perry
From: Boris Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Megginson wrote: I understand that there are USB devices that you can wear on your head to control the view in games, and those would probably work in FlightGear, but it would be hard to survive the ridicule from family, friends, and neighbours

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft directory structure

2004-11-22 Thread Jon Berndt
I think the suggestions are getting more complicated than Curt had envisioned. I think a hierarchy such as that which Curt mentioned makes a lot of sense. Beyond that, Dave Culp and I discussed at one point how nice it would be if one could simply grab an aircraft tar file that contained

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:46:55 +0100 Erik Hofman wrote: I wouldn't know. I was never able to test it because I have one x86 machine and one MIPS machine. The difference in handling of the structs prevented me from testing the network byte order issue. Actually, I've seen it work with a FDM

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting data out of FlightGear

2004-11-22 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Currently there is a problem where different platforms, different OS's or even different compilers can get different output due to the fact that structs are used to send data across the network. This can create endian-problems