Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:57:48 -0600, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c172, c172-le, c172p, c172r, c172x - I don't have the energy to sort out the dependencies so throw it all in. We should try to sort them out and include just the C172p by default -- in any case,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I have finalized the v0.9.8 release and rolled up the source and base packages, updated the web site, and made the new files available on the ftp site. Everyone should be clear to start building binary versions for their favorite platforms. Great !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:02:20 +0100, Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that we have an aircraft download page I think that should be all that gets included. I just realized that the list didn't include any helicopter. All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: I just realized that the list didn't include any helicopter. Good point. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Spott
David Megginson wrote: I just realized that the list didn't include any helicopter. Quoting Curt: bo105 - I could say a lot of nice things, but why bother, it's our only helicopter so it has to be included anyway. Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I have finalized the v0.9.8 release and rolled up the source and base packages, updated the web site, and made the new files available on the ftp site. Everyone should be clear to start building binary versions for their favorite platforms. FlightGear binaries can be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson said: I know we can debate this endlessly so I hesitate to even bring this up, but are there any particular aircraft that absolutely, positively, must be in the base package. Now that we have a separate aircraft download page, there's no need to include every aircraft in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:07:22 -, Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also I think I would have considered cutting the c310, even though it is the only light twin. The u3a cockpit was my very first 3D project and it really isn't too spiffy. It would be very nice to have a civilian c310

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 19 January 2005 15:07: Oh yeah, and the ufo, even though it is small, is more fun on the website than in the base package. If someone needs it for debugging they are probably going to download it. I disagree. The ufo is the scenery exploration tool. The model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman said: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I have finalized the v0.9.8 release and rolled up the source and base packages, updated the web site, and made the new files available on the ftp site. Everyone should be clear to start building binary versions for their favorite platforms.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson said: Christian Mayer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, the web page is comming along nicely! There's one thing that could be added: when you click on the thumbnail a normal sized picture should open. It also would be great if there'd be a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ question - solved

2005-01-19 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for all the replies. They brought me on the right track. The solution I've got now is also known as the Barton and Nackman Trick. It's a bit pervert - but totaly legal C++ code: templatetypename leaftype class A { leaftype asLeaf() {

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Spott
Jim Wilson wrote: [...] It would be very nice to have a civilian c310 (maybe we should just repaint the u3a and call it a c310b?). To my knowledge there _is_ a civilian C310, at least there used to be one - no idea if it's still present, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Thomas Frster
Am Mittwoch 19 Januar 2005 15:40 schrieb Jim Wilson: Erik Hofman said: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I have finalized the v0.9.8 release and rolled up the source and base packages, updated the web site, and made the new files available on the ftp site. Everyone should be clear to start

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A380

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Innis Cunningham wrote: Durk Talsma writes On Wednesday 19 January 2005 00:58, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: On January 17, 2005 01:51 pm, Christian Mayer wrote: When do we have a flyable A380? It can't be that Airbus was faster than we are:

[Flightgear-devel] Slackware Package

2005-01-19 Thread Jon Stockill
The Slackware binary package for 0.9.8 can now be found at the usual place: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/ Curt, you may want to check the permissions in the Models tree of the base package - radio-medium.ac is only owner readable, and several files have the execute bit set. -- Jon

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Durk Talsma wrote: Another thought: There are some other hangar pages out there like the ones made by David Culp and Wolfram Kuss. Would it be an idea to add a link to these pages at the bottom of the aircraft download page? Presumably we can't merge these pages due to licence

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Matthew Law
Is anyone doing a gentoo ebuild? - I can submit one but it'll have to wait until the weekend. If someone else can get one in quicker then please do. All the best, Matthew ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 19 January 2005 17:25: if someone can send me current links and if those pages are currently maintained, I'll definitely link to them from the aircraft download page. These are the links that I gathered over time: http://home.t-online.de/home/Wolfram.Kuss/

[Flightgear-devel] Scenery download

2005-01-19 Thread Frederic Bouvier
The graphical interface and the FTP interface links for scenery download are still pointing to Scenery-0.9.5 This is in page http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/scenery.html Regards, -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A380

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Now that we have pictures of it on our web page, and a way to distribute individual aircraft, we definitely need Ampere to upload/email it to me. :-) Probably he'd prefer to do some fine-tuning until the original has its maiden flight in april :-) Martin. -- Unix

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Oliver C.
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 17:25, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: Another thought: There are some other hangar pages out there like the ones made by David Culp and Wolfram Kuss. Would it be an idea to add a link to these pages at the bottom of the aircraft download page?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Scenery download

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Frederic Bouvier wrote: The graphical interface and the FTP interface links for scenery download are still pointing to Scenery-0.9.5 This is in page http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/scenery.html Yes, thanks ... I'm planning to roll up the win32 binary release today (thanks for building the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:57:48 -0600 Curtis L. Olson wrote: 737 - large commercial jet. Reasonably well done. Flies pretty well. Nice 2d panel with some simple glass elements. I like the 737 -- I've probably spent as much time with it as I have with the c172. I'm sure it's giving me bad

Re: [Flightgear-devel] B1900D

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 02:24, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Yasim has a magic solver that is sometimes sensitive to specific inputs. In the back of my head I imagine a little robot trying to climb to the highest point on the map by always going up ... but then coming to the top of a smaller hill

Re: [Flightgear-devel] B1900D

2005-01-19 Thread Andy Ross
Dave Martin wrote: Something I noticed early on is that the mass needed distributing for things like Engine+Gearbox sets and Maingear etc as Yasim just evenly places the dry mass otherwise. Yeah. Evenly placing the mass is a great way to get the overall mass distribution (the inertia tensor,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] splash

2005-01-19 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
In theory, this is a nice idea, but I'm not sure about IPC on Windows. Forking might be OK, but I'm quite sure that sending a signal is not so simple, so we would have to come up with something else. What about doing it the other way around when the user is using fgrun to launch fgfs ? What I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:21:39 +0100, Oliver wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's why i think we should refuse to advertise none GPL'd aircrafts and scenery addons for flightgear on the flightgear website. ..amen! -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 16:43, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 19 January 2005 17:25: if someone can send me current links and if those pages are currently maintained, I'll definitely link to them from the aircraft download page. These are the links that I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 17:21, Oliver C. wrote: On Wednesday 19 January 2005 17:25, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: Another thought: There are some other hangar pages out there like the ones made by David Culp and Wolfram Kuss. Would it be an idea to add a link to these

Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +, Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got to disagree with you regarding linking to non-GPL'd aircraft. The best a/c I've seen for M$FS have been done by people who want to ensure that their work remains free (as in free beer) but also want to make

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 19:41, David Megginson wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +, Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got to disagree with you regarding linking to non-GPL'd aircraft. The best a/c I've seen for M$FS have been done by people who want to ensure that

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Chris Metzler wrote: p51d - A classic WWII fighter ... also well done. Full 3d cockpit. Just out of curiosity, what remains to be done with the Spitfire? If it's in production, are there any reasons to favor it over the P-51, or vice versa? Nothing major remains to be done, although,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +, Lee wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've got to disagree with you regarding linking to non-GPL'd aircraft. The best a/c I've seen for M$FS have been done by people who want to ensure that their work remains free (as in free beer) but also want to

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:05, Lee Elliott wrote: The control issue is more straightforward and it's easy to see how someone might get miffed if something they spent a lot of time making, so that they could give it away to people for free, is then used by someone else for their own

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:21:39 +0100 Oliver C. wrote: Personally i think that it is not a good idea to advertise aircrafts for FlightGear that are not free. Here's the reason why: Advertising none free aircrafts or scenery addons on the flightgear website could lead to a common behaviour

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:05:18 +, Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the user community will stomp out that kind of thing pretty fast, whatever we do about linking. It looks very newbie and shareware-ish. Heh! - Sorry, but I'm not sure exactly which bits will get stomped out

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Steven Beeckman
Paul Surgeon wrote: On Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:05, Lee Elliott wrote: The control issue is more straightforward and it's easy to see how someone might get miffed if something they spent a lot of time making, so that they could give it away to people for free, is then used by someone else

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:36:42 +0200, Paul Surgeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then some scumbag comes along and collects a whole lot of these free contributions, removes the credits, labels them as his own work, puts them onto a CDs and sells them for $30 - 50 profit. This has happened several

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 20:36, Paul Surgeon wrote: If the authors released their work as GPL those low lifes wouldn't even have to change the credits and what sort of recourse would the authors have then? Paul The authors would have no recourse then. If they had willingly licenced their

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 20:23, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +, Lee wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've got to disagree with you regarding linking to non-GPL'd aircraft. The best a/c I've seen for M$FS have been done by people who want to ensure that

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:02:10 +, Dave Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the authors released their work as GPL those low lifes wouldn't even have to change the credits and what sort of recourse would the authors have then? The authors would have no recourse then. Note that he said

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 20:42, David Megginson wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:05:18 +, Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the user community will stomp out that kind of thing pretty fast, whatever we do about linking. It looks very newbie and shareware-ish. Heh!

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 20:59, David Megginson wrote: The redistributors either have to include the full original distribution, unmodified (including any README files, etc.) or else they have to provide a way to get it -- that tells their customers that there's a way to get the same stuff

[Flightgear-devel] New scenery

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I have renamed the 0.9.7 scenery tree on the ftp server to 0.9.8. There is no change other than the new version number so if you have already downloaded 0.9.7 scenery, there is no need to redownload the new scenery. I am currently working on fully populating the rsync scenery server with all

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:02:10 + Dave Martin wrote: The authors would have no recourse then. If they had willingly licenced their work under the GPL, they are permitting anyone to make commercial use of their models / work providing that credit is not removed Just for clarification, you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Thomas Förster said: Am Mittwoch 19 Januar 2005 15:40 schrieb Jim Wilson: Erik Hofman said: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I have finalized the v0.9.8 release and rolled up the source and base packages, updated the web site, and made the new files available on the ftp site. Everyone

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:59:07 -0500 David Megginson wrote: Note that he said that the changed the credit to hide the origin of the sounds: that violates the GPL. Yes, if the credit they're changing is in the accompanying copyright notice. No, if it's some statement of credit in an accompanying

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 21:21, Chris Metzler wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:02:10 + Dave Martin wrote: The authors would have no recourse then. If they had willingly licenced their work under the GPL, they are permitting anyone to make commercial use of their models / work providing

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:08:38 +, Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it can make things difficult, or even impossible, one can't force people to use a licence. One can't tell people what to do... I don't think anyone has suggested that, except to set it up as a strawman to argue

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:18 + Dave Martin wrote: I think I misworded that a bit. I was meaning the 'one liner' that is often added to the GPL copyright notice which includes the originating Author's name. one line to give the program's name and an idea of what it does. Copyright (C)

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: use in the Occupied Territories, and package #18 is for use only by Ralph Nader supporters). That's it! From now on I'm licensing all my work under #18. I wonder if he uses debian on his laptop. Probably not. Well at least now flightgear will come up when someone

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Arthur Wiebe
The Mac OS X package is now available from http://macflightgear.sourceforge.net/ I wrote a small wxPython app which is included. For now it allows you to choose the aircraft and airport. (Because I plain can't get fgrun ported to OS X) On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:22:23 -, Jim Wilson [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Arthur Wiebe wrote: The Mac OS X package is now available from http://macflightgear.sourceforge.net/ I wrote a small wxPython app which is included. For now it allows you to choose the aircraft and airport. (Because I plain can't get fgrun ported to OS X) Ok, thanks, I'll update the web page.

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: use in the Occupied Territories, and package #18 is for use only by Ralph Nader supporters). Thats it! From now on I'm licensing all my work under #18. I wonder if Ralph uses debian on his laptop. Probably not. Well at least now flightgear will come up when someone

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Jim Wilson said: David Megginson said: use in the Occupied Territories, and package #18 is for use only by Ralph Nader supporters). That's it! From now on I'm licensing all my work under #18. I wonder if he uses debian on his laptop. Probably not. Well at least now flightgear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Slackware Package

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Stockill wrote: The Slackware binary package for 0.9.8 can now be found at the usual place: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/ Curt, you may want to check the permissions in the Models tree of the base package - radio-medium.ac is only owner readable, and several files have the execute

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:28, David Megginson wrote: As I mentioned before, I also think that the user community will vote for the open source models with its feet (or, I guess, mice) and tend to stomp out others with social pressure or at least apathy. There is still place for non-GPL

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Paul Surgeon wrote: On Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:28, David Megginson wrote: As I mentioned before, I also think that the user community will vote for the open source models with its feet (or, I guess, mice) and tend to stomp out others with social pressure or at least apathy. There is

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 22:29, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Oh, and please, those who need to eat or feed their kids, please continue to do so. :-) Curt. I find it vaguely disturbing that you feel it is okay for people to consume their offspring. Dave Martin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Adam Dershowitz
I have not yet had a chance to build 0.9.8, so I am curious if it built just fine right out of the box? And do my Mac build instructions hold up OK for this version? Thanks for building and posting the Mac bin. -- Adam From: Arthur Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear developers

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:20:57 +0200, Paul Surgeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure GPL can work in some scenarios but if your market is 1000 copies and you charge $50 for your product you can't possibly afford to license your work as GPL and expect to keep food on the table for your kids to eat.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Arthur Wiebe
Hey Adam, I had to make one small change. Hopefully the attached patch answers your question. But other than that it all built ok. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:37:36 -0800, Adam Dershowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not yet had a chance to build 0.9.8, so I am curious if it built just fine

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Adam Dershowitz
Damn, so I missed one of those fixes. Actually, I just checked, and that file was not present when I was building and patching for GL location, so it has been added since, and was done the old way instead. Can one of you guys with CVS access fix that one? Thanks, -- Adam From: Arthur

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Announce v0.9.8

2005-01-19 Thread Arthur Wiebe
Yes, it was added after 0.9.8-pre2 On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:20:43 -0800, Adam Dershowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, so I missed one of those fixes. Actually, I just checked, and that file was not present when I was building and patching for GL location, so it has been added since, and was

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Giles Robertson
Can we ensure that the glider model that fgfs falls back to in the absence of another 3d model makes it in? I don't relish a set of complaints about missing glider.ac. Giles Robertson ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Josh Babcock
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I know we can debate this endlessly so I hesitate to even bring this up, but are there any particular aircraft that absolutely, positively, must be in the base package. Now that we have a separate aircraft download page, there's no need to include every aircraft in the

[Flightgear-devel] B1900D FDM (Test pilots req'd)

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
I've been working up the FDM for the b1900d and I have it flying quite nicely now. The numbers are no longer 'book' but rather ones that allow the aircraft to perform within the parameters of the FDM. Changes of note: The ailerons are more effective; with the 'infinite human strength' effect,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ question - solved

2005-01-19 Thread Richard Harke
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 06:53, Christian Mayer wrote: Thanks for all the replies. They brought me on the right track. The solution I've got now is also known as the Barton and Nackman Trick. It's a bit pervert - but totaly legal C++ code: templatetypename leaftype class A {

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:53:33 -0500, Josh Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see a golden age or WWII multi engine, but I guess the DC3 isn't ready for prime time yet. I'm also *cough* working on a B29, but I haven't touched it in months. I was in the middle of getting a Yasim

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 01:57, David Megginson wrote: In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. It's more in proportion with the C-172, and with a few buildings, etc., we could have it looking quite

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:57:13 -0500 David Megginson wrote: In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. It's more in proportion with the C-172, and with a few buildings, etc., we could have it looking

Re: [Flightgear-devel] B1900D FDM (Test pilots req'd)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:16:07 + Dave Martin wrote: Let me know what you think :-) FDM: http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/b1900d.xml - copy to your Aircraft/b1900d/ directory after backing up the original. Hi Dave. It appears to be a lot more stable (and as a note to Syd -- the model itself

Re: [Flightgear-devel] B1900D FDM (Test pilots req'd)

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Chris Metzler wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:16:07 + Dave Martin wrote: Let me know what you think :-) FDM: http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/b1900d.xml - copy to your Aircraft/b1900d/ directory after backing up the original. Hi Dave. It appears to be a lot more stable (and as a note to Syd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: You know, after reading some of the other comments, I'm starting to like the idea of having just the c172p in the base package. In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. It's more

Re: [Flightgear-devel] B1900D FDM (Test pilots req'd)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:34:24 -0600 Curtis L. Olson wrote: The model was updated to work with FlightGear-0.9.8 and plib-1.8.4. Sigh . . .I should really subscribe to the CVS log mailing list. I thought I was current; but I wasn't 11 hours current. Thanks for the tip. -c -- Chris Metzler

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A380

2005-01-19 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On January 19, 2005 12:02 pm, Martin Spott wrote: Probably he'd prefer to do some fine-tuning until the original has its maiden flight in april  :-) Martin. You read my mind. =) As far as development goes, all Innis and I have right now is the FDM Model and the exterior 3D Model. What we

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On January 19, 2005 06:00 pm, Enrique Vaamonde wrote: It would be nice to sort the aircrafts by categories in the main a/c download page, for example airliners, military/jet, commuters, gliders etc. It will have to be done eventually when more a/c are designed, imho. May be we should just use

[Flightgear-devel] Problem with Beaver and sound

2005-01-19 Thread Frederic Bouvier
I just discovered that FG is suggesting me to upgrade my sound driver after alGenSources failed :-( This is the first time and all the other aircraft I tried never did the same. I even remember flying successfully with it not far ago. A quick glance with the debugger showed me that alGenSources

[Flightgear-devel] Rain and snow videos or photos

2005-01-19 Thread Roman Grigoriev
Hi guys! I try to model rain and snow in flightgear but have some difficutlies because I haven't seen it in real flight from cabin of aircraft. Maybe someone can explain me some features when you have take-off or landing in rain and snow. Is it similar to car? Or maybe someone have videos or

[Flightgear-devel] Little flaws with Win32 package

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Spott
Hello, I just downloaded the Win32 package and took it for a test-ride. There are three things I'd like to mention: 1.) The Isle of Alcatraz doesn't look as I'm used to it from FlightGear. To my knowledge Frederic adapted the terrain to include the heliport, this is now missing. 2.) On