[Flightgear-devel] yasim vs jsbsim c310

2005-12-03 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
I've just tried out the c310 @KSFO, current metar conditions. The Yasim one develops 38PSI of manifold pressure, ~2700RPM at props and throttle full forward on the ground, brakes applied. The JSBsim gives a (more realistic-?) 29PSI. No surprise the ground roll at the Yasim one's is much shorter.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] yasim vs jsbsim c310

2005-12-03 Thread Jon Berndt
I've just tried out the c310 @KSFO, current metar conditions. The Yasim one develops 38PSI of manifold pressure, ~2700RPM at props and throttle full forward on the ground, brakes applied. The JSBsim gives a (more realistic-?) 29PSI. No surprise the ground roll at the Yasim one's is much

[Flightgear-devel] Yasim wing incidence

2005-12-03 Thread Jim Wilson
If this is just flipping the sign why not just grep and fix all the aircraft in CVS that specify incidence? I guess I don't understand the ritual. Maybe there was more to this change that I'm just not aware of? Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim wing incidence

2005-12-03 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: If this is just flipping the sign why not just grep and fix all the aircraft in CVS that specify incidence? I guess I don't understand the ritual. Maybe there was more to this change that I'm just not aware of? Most modelers (if not all) were unaware of this problem. Some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim wing incidence

2005-12-03 Thread Joacim Persson
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Erik Hofman wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: If this is just flipping the sign why not just grep and fix all the aircraft in CVS that specify incidence? I guess I don't understand the ritual. Maybe there was more to this change that I'm just not aware of? Most modelers (if not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim wing incidence

2005-12-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson wrote: If this is just flipping the sign why not just grep and fix all the aircraft in CVS that specify incidence? I guess I don't understand the ritual. Maybe there was more to this change that I'm just not aware of? The big issue is that developers were actually specifying

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim wing incidence

2005-12-03 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilwon wrote: If this is just flipping the sign why not just grep and fix all the aircraft in CVS that specify incidence? The files in CVS (most of them -- the ones that weren't pre-fixed for the 0.9.9 release) specify incidence as documented, not as it was actually implemented in code. So

Re: [Flightgear-devel] yasim(-test) vs fgfs

2005-12-03 Thread Andy Ross
Joacim Persson wrote: I've discovered a difference between how fgfs calls the yasim solver, and how the yasim binary (aka yasim-test) does it. I have a -yasim.xml which doesn't pass yasim(-test) but which fgfs accepts... ?:-P So what is the difference? Number of iterations? That sounds like

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim wing incidence

2005-12-03 Thread Jim Wilson
From: Erik Hofman Jim Wilson wrote: If this is just flipping the sign why not just grep and fix all the aircraft in CVS that specify incidence? I guess I don't understand the ritual. Maybe there was more to this change that I'm just not aware of? Most modelers (if not all) were

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim wing incidence

2005-12-03 Thread Jim Wilson
From: Andy Ross unintended consequences. The old files were tuned for a broken implementation, and may need some re-tuning for the fixed one. Ah ok. I thought it was just an inverted sign on the configuration input. Best, Jim ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] yasim(-test) vs fgfs

2005-12-03 Thread Joacim Persson
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Andy Ross wrote: That sounds like a bug. They are intended to produce identical behavior. Is it possible you have a yasim binary build from a different version of the code than your fgfs? My first thought too. The file I used was the AN-225-yasim.xml with the only

[Flightgear-devel] yasim(-test) vs fgfs

2005-12-02 Thread Joacim Persson
I've discovered a difference between how fgfs calls the yasim solver, and how the yasim binary (aka yasim-test) does it. I have a -yasim.xml which doesn't pass yasim(-test) but which fgfs accepts... ?:-P So what is the difference? Number of iterations?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] yasim(-test) vs fgfs

2005-12-02 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Samstag 03 Dezember 2005 01:57, Joacim Persson wrote: I've discovered a difference between how fgfs calls the yasim solver, and how the yasim binary (aka yasim-test) does it. I have a -yasim.xml which doesn't pass yasim(-test) but which fgfs accepts... ?:-P So what is the difference?

[Flightgear-devel] YASim twist/incidence fix

2005-12-01 Thread Andy Ross
I've been short of time recently, but Curt is keen on getting the twist/incidence fix into YASim in time for the next release. So I've committed it more or less blind. :) A quick grep through the source code gives a list of affected aircraft configurations that I've attached below. The fix is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim twist/incidence fix

2005-12-01 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 01 Dec 2005 21:08, Andy Ross wrote: I've been short of time recently, but Curt is keen on getting the twist/incidence fix into YASim in time for the next release. So I've committed it more or less blind. :) A quick grep through the source code gives a list of affected aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim twist/incidence fix

2005-12-01 Thread Joacim Persson
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Andy Ross wrote: AN-225/AN-225-yasim.xml The patched Yasim spitted it out again. No twist set in that file, only incidence (4° positive).___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] yasim and modelling noob started to make ASK 21 Mi for flightgear

2005-07-24 Thread Lee Elliott
On Sunday 24 Jul 2005 00:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello all. this is my first post to this mailing list. (some people might know me from the irc channel, which i joined about a week ago for the first time, not counting a brief visit a year ago.) i have been following the development of

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-06-13 Thread Vivian Meazza
Some time ago I wrote: Andy Ross: If you do mean this equation then I can certainly live with that. If not, I'll need to put my thinking cap on ... I've updated the graphical representation here: Remind me again which one of these is the real engine data, and what the source

[Flightgear-devel] YASim engine temp

2005-06-12 Thread Josh Babcock
Is there any king of piston engine temp modeling going on in YASim yet? I see egt-degf but it looks like it's just the air temp. Josh ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim engine temp

2005-06-12 Thread Andy Ross
Josh Babcock wrote: Is there any king of piston engine temp modeling going on in YASim yet? I see egt-degf but it looks like it's just the air temp. No. There are actually many spots on engines where people like to stick thermocouples. Oil temperature and cylinder head temperature are the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-23 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Drew wrote: IMHO, it's best to use interpolation tables rather than equations if you're trying to curve fit empirical data. Not in this context. The data here isn't being used to model a specific engine, but to provide sane parameters for all (super/turbochared)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:15:31 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy Ross wrote Drew wrote: IMHO, it's best to use interpolation tables rather than equations if you're trying to curve fit empirical data. Not in this context. The data here isn't being used to

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-23 Thread Vivian Meazza
Arnt Karlsen wrote: Andy Ross wrote Drew wrote: IMHO, it's best to use interpolation tables rather than equations if you're trying to curve fit empirical data. Not in this context. The data here isn't being used to model a specific engine, but to provide sane

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:02:48 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Andy Ross wrote Drew wrote: IMHO, it's best to use interpolation tables rather than equations if you're trying to curve fit empirical data. Not in this

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-23 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-devel- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arnt Karlsen Sent: 23 April 2005 22:02 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:02:48 +0100

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (-0.25 * math::pow(rpm_norm,3)) + (-0.15 * math::pow(rpm_norm,2)) + (1.11 * rpm_norm); Whereas this one is just really obviously a polynomial, and I understand polynomials, they're simple and not scary at all: rpm_norm * (1.11 - rpm_norm * (0.15 *

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Friday 22 April 2005 01:46, Norman Vine wrote: Andy Ross writes: Vivian Meazza wrote: I used the power form because it is easier to read, but if the other form produces a performance advantage, then of course we must use it. It's actually not so much about performance, really.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: I used the power form because it is easier to read, but if the other form produces a performance advantage, then of course we must use it. It's actually not so much about performance, really. Readability can mean different things. The problem is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: y = -0.25x3 + 0.15x2 + 1.11x Thinking about the over-speed situation overnight, the Merlin was allowed to go to 3600 rpm for brief periods, and even then damage to the engine was possible. This is a normalised value of 1.2. The K Series will go to 9000 (don't try this on

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross: If you do mean this equation then I can certainly live with that. If not, I'll need to put my thinking cap on ... I've updated the graphical representation here: Remind me again which one of these is the real engine data, and what the source is? The only line on this graph

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Andy Ross
Drew wrote: IMHO, it's best to use interpolation tables rather than equations if you're trying to curve fit empirical data. Not in this context. The data here isn't being used to model a specific engine, but to provide sane parameters for all (super/turbochared) engines. The performance and

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-devel- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sent: 22 April 2005 15:19 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues Vivian Meazza wrote: y = -0.25x3

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Drew
The real data is series 1, but only up to rpm-normalised = 1. For values above 1, it's just a continuation by eye of the data. (See http://www.turbotechnics.com/supercharger/expo.htm Note that max power is at 6500 rpm, and that the supercharger output is nearly flat at 7000 rpm.) I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Drew
Yeah, that's something that could be a project in itself. There are a few ways to do tables that I know of. JSBSim does gridded tables up to three independent variables. I'd like to extend that to ungridded tables of n dimensions. Maybe there's an algorithm around somewhere for that. I

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Jon Berndt
Probably several. YASim has one for doing interpolation of standard atmosphere parameters, and I'm sure there's a similar engine in the JSBSim code, which depends on tables extensively in its configuration. Yeah, that's something that could be a project in itself. There are a few ways to do

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-22 Thread Jon Berndt
It's nice to be able to have backout routines for interpolation tables, as well, which can be extremely helpful in initialization code. For tables up to 3d with fixed independent indices (is this what you meant by 'grid', or did you mean fixed intervals?), this is pretty straightforward.

[Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-21 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: The attached diff models the output of a gear-driven supercharger I just now got a chance to sit down and puzzle this out. I see where it's going: instead of ignoring the RPM contribution to boost, it adds an extra factor that reduces the boost at lower RPMs. It works by

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: The attached diff models the output of a gear-driven supercharger I just now got a chance to sit down and puzzle this out. I see where it's going: instead of ignoring the RPM contribution to boost, it adds an extra factor that reduces the boost at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-21 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: I used the power form because it is easier to read, but if the other form produces a performance advantage, then of course we must use it. It's actually not so much about performance, really. Readability can mean different things. The problem is that when I see a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-21 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Vivian Meazza wrote: I used the power form because it is easier to read, but if the other form produces a performance advantage, then of course we must use it. It's actually not so much about performance, really. Readability can mean different things. The problem

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim turbo/supercharger issues

2005-04-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:46:10 -0400, Norman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy Ross writes: Whereas this one is just really obviously a polynomial, and I understand polynomials, they're simple and not scary at all: rpm_norm * (1.11 - rpm_norm * (0.15 * rpm_norm + 0.25))

[Flightgear-devel] YASim gears exactly following ground/Aircraft Carrier

2005-02-18 Thread Mathias =?utf-8?q?Fr=C3=B6hlich?=
Hi, Since one day YASim make use of the groundcache. That means for aircraft models where the 3d-model animates the gear compression well (like Vivians seahawk for example), the gears exaclty follow the slope of the ground. Also the aircraft carrier hardware is integrated in YASim. Starting

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim gears exactly following ground/AircraftCarrier

2005-02-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Mathias Fröhlich Hi, Since one day YASim make use of the groundcache. That means for aircraft models where the 3d-model animates the gear compression well (like Vivians seahawk for example), the gears exaclty follow the slope of the ground. Also the aircraft carrier hardware is

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim gears exactly followingground/AircraftCarrier

2005-02-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote: Mathias Fröhlich Hi, Since one day YASim make use of the groundcache. That means for aircraft models where the 3d-model animates the gear compression well (like Vivians seahawk for example), the gears exaclty follow the slope of the ground. Also the aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-26 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Speaking of which, in the prop config, what exactly do the cruise numbers do? If I'm not getting enough thrust still out of the prop, what should I mess with first? This is the black magic part, and could really use a redesign. The cruise pitch (the RPM and an airspeed)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-26 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: Speaking of which, in the prop config, what exactly do the cruise numbers do? If I'm not getting enough thrust still out of the prop, what should I mess with first? This is the black magic part, and could really use a redesign. The cruise pitch (the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-26 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: What should I look for then when mucking with the cruise numbers from the prop definition? Or is there some way to just remove them? One thing to try would be to remove the variable pitch settings entirely and nail the prop down at your specified cruise setting (which should

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: If you look at that manual the diagram in Section I that shows the control box, indicates at #12 Prop Control (I've only got about 6 pages from that manual). That's the blue knob with the P on it in the model. The control box indicates Max RPM with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: The min/max range, does that refer to engine RPM or propellor? Propeller. It's a setting for the governor. With the newer syntax, the engine and propeller are separate XML tags, so hopefully it should be clearer which is which. If an attribute on the propeller tag takes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: The min/max range, does that refer to engine RPM or propellor? Propeller. It's a setting for the governor. With the newer syntax, the engine and propeller are separate XML tags, so hopefully it should be clearer which is which. If an attribute on the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: But those numbers you gave me seem to be engine RPM numbers. Sorry for the confusion. The gear ratio is 0.479 and the merlin max rpm is 3000 rpm. Ah, I get it. Sorry for the confusion. :) I guess the gauge in the cockpit shows engine speed, but the YASim file wants

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jim Wilson wrote Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: The min/max range, does that refer to engine RPM or propellor? Propeller. It's a setting for the governor. With the newer syntax, the engine and propeller are separate XML tags, so hopefully it should be clearer which is which.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: Yes - perhaps Andy will recall our long discussion of a year ago? Only vaguely, and I currently lack the time to crawl through the archives. You keep hinting that you want something done. Can you be more specific? Andy ___

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross Vivian Meazza wrote: Yes - perhaps Andy will recall our long discussion of a year ago? Only vaguely, and I currently lack the time to crawl through the archives. You keep hinting that you want something done. Can you be more specific? Yes - sorry. I redid the Merlin engine

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: But those numbers you gave me seem to be engine RPM numbers. Sorry for the confusion. The gear ratio is 0.479 and the merlin max rpm is 3000 rpm. Ah, I get it. Sorry for the confusion. :) I guess the gauge in the cockpit shows engine speed, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Now I'm finding that we're seeking the engine rpm instead of the prop-rpm. Andy Ross wrote: If an attribute on the propeller tag takes engine RPM, then that would be a bug. See? I was exactly right. :) Can you try the following fix to PropEngine.cpp? That should fix it,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-25 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: Now I'm finding that we're seeking the engine rpm instead of the prop-rpm. Andy Ross wrote: If an attribute on the propeller tag takes engine RPM, then that would be a bug. See? I was exactly right. :) Can you try the following fix to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-24 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Here is my local config for the p51d yasim propeller. Most of these values are pretty much on target according to actual specifications. The problem is that it appears to not produce sufficient thrust. I did actually get started on this at one point. :) The first problem I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-24 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: Here is my local config for the p51d yasim propeller. Most of these values are pretty much on target according to actual specifications. The problem is that it appears to not produce sufficient thrust. I did actually get started on this at one point.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-24 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: So, let's assume you got a good manual. How does this RPM governor control work? And how can I implement that in YASim? Just set min-rpm and max-rpm properties to the RPMs in the handbook, basically. The propeller will automatically modify its pitch to seek to those values.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-24 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: So, let's assume you got a good manual. How does this RPM governor control work? And how can I implement that in YASim? Just set min-rpm and max-rpm properties to the RPMs in the handbook, basically. The propeller will automatically modify its pitch

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-24 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: If you look at that manual the diagram in Section I that shows the control box, indicates at #12 Prop Control (I've only got about 6 pages from that manual). That's the blue knob with the P on it in the model. The control box indicates Max RPM with the blue knob all the way

[Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-22 Thread Jim Wilson
Here is my local config for the p51d yasim propeller. Most of these values are pretty much on target according to actual specifications. The problem is that it appears to not produce sufficient thrust. Is it possible that we have a flaw in the thrust calculation? Does anyone have any actual

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop thrust

2005-01-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jim Wilson wrote: Here is my local config for the p51d yasim propeller. Most of these values are pretty much on target according to actual specifications. The problem is that it appears to not produce sufficient thrust. Is it possible that we have a flaw in the thrust calculation?

[Flightgear-devel] YASim c172 (Was: FlightGear 0.9.5-1)

2004-08-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: Here's another problem: $ fgfs --aircraft=c172-610x-jsbsim makes fgfs abort, because this redirects to ../c172r/c172r-jsbsim-base.xml, which tries to include c172r-base.xml. But this file is searched in c172/, not in c172r (where it could be found). This is fixed in CVS

[Flightgear-devel] yasim + bo105 + vrp + @#%$#@ == argh!

2004-08-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
I'm less successful with the VRP scheme than Jim with the c310u3a. The bo105 looked quite OK all the time, but that's just a coincidence. Actually, there must be a bug somewhere ... in YASim? The bo105 yasim config treats the nose 'tip' as the origin. But the 3d model thinks the main rotor axis

Re: [Flightgear-devel] yasim + bo105 + vrp + @#%$#@ == argh!

2004-08-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Melchior FRANZ said: I'm less successful with the VRP scheme than Jim with the c310u3a. The bo105 looked quite OK all the time, but that's just a coincidence. Actually, there must be a bug somewhere ... in YASim? The bo105 yasim config treats the nose 'tip' as the origin. But the 3d model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness

2004-08-02 Thread Jim Wilson
Matthew Law said: David Megginson wrote: I cannot reproduce it on my system: fgfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --aircraft=j3cub I put on the parking brake (who'd have thought the J3 Cub had a parking brake?) and tried moving all of the control surfaces. They had no effect on the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness

2004-08-01 Thread Matthew Law
David Megginson wrote: I cannot reproduce it on my system: fgfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --aircraft=j3cub I put on the parking brake (who'd have thought the J3 Cub had a parking brake?) and tried moving all of the control surfaces. They had no effect on the aircraft, either with the engine on or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-29 Thread Matthew Law
David Megginson wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Uh... YASim doesn't model wash effects, so there really isn't any process by which a pure control input would generate force. Are you sure you weren't just sitting in a stiff wind? Can anyone else replicate this? I cannot reproduce it on my system: fgfs

[Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread Matthew Law
David Megginson wrote: That shouldn't be from my change -- can you do it with other YASim planes? I see the same issue with elevator on the c172-3d-yasim but not aileron. Again with the pa28-161 -looks to be about 5-10 deg judging by the attitude from inside the cockpit... All the best,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread Matthew Law
I see the same issue with elevator on the c172-3d-yasim but not aileron. Again with the pa28-161 -looks to be about 5-10 deg judging by the attitude from inside the cockpit... Also, try side slipping any of the cessnas or the pa28. It seems that in this flight regime the rudder seems to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread Andy Ross
Matthew Law wrote: David Megginson wrote: Matthew Law wrote: It seems much, much better to me. However, I can sit at minimum power with the brakes on in nil wind and rock from one main wheel to the other using the ailerons. I can also lift the tail off the ground at minimum power.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross wrote: Uh... YASim doesn't model wash effects, so there really isn't any process by which a pure control input would generate force. Are you sure you weren't just sitting in a stiff wind? Can anyone else replicate this? I cannot reproduce it on my system: fgfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-20 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jim Wilson wrote Andy Ross said: Vivian Meazza wrote: Performance: max = 437mph at combat emergency power at 25000ft, 413mph at 15000ft, 395mph at 5000ft, cruising speed 362mph, climb rate 3475 ft/min. Service ceiling 41,900ft. How much is combat emergency power? The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jim The other day you were saying about Jon do a JSBSIM fdm well there is one over at JSBSIM but I have done a separate one that will drop into FG if you are interested.If not no problems. Cheers Innis _ Personalise your phone with

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- Jim Wilson wrote: Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: It'd be great if someone else could look at the P51D fdm. I'm lost. Flight dynamics is neither my area of expertise or interest. The only reason I did it in the first place is I had a 3D model

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Jon Berndt
Hi Jim The other day you were saying about Jon do a JSBSIM fdm well there is one over at JSBSIM but I have done a separate one that will drop into FG if you are interested.If not no problems. I was doing one ... still have it in-work. Kept running into things I wanted to fix and add in the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jon Jon Berndt writes I was doing one ... still have it in-work. Kept running into things I wanted to fix and add in the code and getting distracted. I was using DATCOM to help with aero tables. Now we are close to having aero tables generated with DATCOM+ directly (thanks to Bill

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Jon Berndt
Yes I know I downloaded it and used it. Didn't know about the monitoring file you were outputing from it, ended up with a 400meg file, good thing I had it on the big drive(LOL). Oops! :-) I really ought to turn these off by default. In fact, the OUTPUT section is destined to be removed from

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jon Jon Berndt writes What I am most curious about is how easy it was to take off. Yes pretty good it comes up on to the front wheels after about 200 meters and lifts off at about 120mph with no flap.Dont know if they used flap on these A/C on t/o. I guess someone here will know. It is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: Performance: max = 437mph at combat emergency power at 25000ft, 413mph at 15000ft, 395mph at 5000ft, cruising speed 362mph, climb rate 3475 ft/min. Service ceiling 41,900ft. How much is combat emergency power? The trick is getting the actual numbers right, is it possible

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:06:04 -0700 Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: Performance: max = 437mph at combat emergency power at 25000ft, 413mph at 15000ft, 395mph at 5000ft, cruising speed 362mph, climb rate 3475 ft/min. Service ceiling 41,900ft. I just ordered a copy of the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Ross Sent: 19 May 2004 15:06 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes Vivian Meazza wrote: Performance: max = 437mph at combat emergency

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Andy Ross
Jon S. Berndt wrote: Please do. It will be interesting to see what kind of relationship there is between F-15D numbers and P-51D numbers, and how you relate the two ... Heh, oops. :) For folks who didn't get the joke in my typo: the manual I ordered is a post-war one for the North American

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Vivian Meazza wrote: Performance: max = 437mph at combat emergency power at 25000ft, 413mph at 15000ft, 395mph at 5000ft, cruising speed 362mph, climb rate 3475 ft/min. Service ceiling 41,900ft. How much is combat emergency power? The trick is getting the actual

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote Jim Wilson wrote I can see a difference, but it is still broken. No matter what the setting, now the engine RPM is either way to high or way to low. It'd be great if someone else could look at the P51D fdm. I'm lost. Flight dynamics is neither my area of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-18 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: It'd be great if someone else could look at the P51D fdm. I'm lost. Flight dynamics is neither my area of expertise or interest. The only reason I did it in the first place is I had a 3D model that Jon supposedly had a JSBsim config for that never materialized. In

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-18 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: It'd be great if someone else could look at the P51D fdm. I'm lost. Flight dynamics is neither my area of expertise or interest. The only reason I did it in the first place is I had a 3D model that Jon supposedly had a JSBsim config for that never

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Tuesday 18 May 2004 16:45, Jim Wilson wrote: Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: It'd be great if someone else could look at the P51D fdm. I'm lost. Flight dynamics is neither my area of expertise or interest. The only reason I did it in the first place is I had a 3D model that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-18 Thread Andy Ross
Lee Elliott wrote: Production Typhoons could exceed 530 mph in dives, with bombs/RPs, and Tempests could overhaul V1s. I thought the Sea Fury was even faster, but I don't have a figure off-hand. The key words being in dives. The solver values are specified in level flight. And dives can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim prop changes

2004-05-18 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Lee Elliott wrote: Production Typhoons could exceed 530 mph in dives, with bombs/RPs, and Tempests could overhaul V1s. I thought the Sea Fury was even faster, but I don't have a figure off-hand. The key words being in dives. The solver values are specified in level

[Flightgear-devel] YASIM config issue?

2004-05-14 Thread Jim Wilson
With the p51d.xml, in response to the legacy engine warning, I've moved entries out to the piston-engine tag and added a displacement value. See below. This is aborting on startup. What am I missing? Best, Jim propeller x=-0.75 y=0 z=0 gear-ration=0.479 radius=1.75

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASIM config issue?

2004-05-14 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: This is aborting on startup. What am I missing? An abort is an XML parse failure. YASim doesn't catch the exception, and it percolates up to the top of the call stack and causes an unhelpful error. I need to fix this. In this case, though, it's just syntax. Your

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASIM config issue?

2004-05-14 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: This is aborting on startup. What am I missing? An abort is an XML parse failure. YASim doesn't catch the exception, and it percolates up to the top of the call stack and causes an unhelpful error. I need to fix this. In this case, though, it's just

[Flightgear-devel] YASIM questions

2004-05-04 Thread marco . gugel
Is there someone who can tell me about local coordinates and global coordinates. What is the difference? Moreover, where is exactly the point in which the collision with the ground is treated? I have reported down a piece of code of Yasim\Model.cpp with some questions attached (****) //

[Flightgear-devel] YASIM

2004-05-04 Thread marco . gugel
Is there someone who can tell me about local coordinates and global coordinates. What is the difference? I have reported down a piece of code of Yasim\Model.cpp with some questions attached (****) // Returns a unit down vector for the ground in out, and the // distance from the local origin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASIM

2004-05-04 Thread Andy Ross
Marco Gugel wrote: Is there someone who can tell me about local coordinates and global coordinates. What is the difference? Local coordinates are in the aircraft frame (note that this isn't the same convention that other FDMs use for their airframe coordinates). Global coordinates are in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim fuel problem

2004-04-30 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: I could do a script that monitors the tank levels and de-selects them when they're empty but I don't know how to best invoke it. Actually, it wouldn't be hard to make this the default. We could set a kill engines if empty flag on the tank for aircraft where we

[Flightgear-devel] YASIM question (for Andy Ross)

2004-04-29 Thread marco . gugel
Hi Andy, First of all, thanks for your help with the config file. Now I have another question: I would like to ask you if it is possible to start from Yasim in order to obtain a ground vehicle dynamic model. My idea is to develop a truck simulation inside FlightGear and I have thought to start

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