Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Mathias Fröhlich wrote: I have checked in into JSBSim's cvs a change which will make the inerial acceleration in the earth fixed geodetic horizontal local frame availabel to the HUD. That patch is attached to this mail. So you could apply that to your local tree and use that until flightgears

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-22 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le dimanche 22 mai 2005 10:45 +0200, Erik Hofman a crit : Mathias Frhlich wrote: I have checked in into JSBSim's cvs a change which will make the inerial acceleration in the earth fixed geodetic horizontal local frame availabel to the HUD. That patch is attached to this mail. So

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-21 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi, On Freitag 20 Mai 2005 16:37, Andy Ross wrote: Mathias Fröhlich wrote: At first I need to know how this local frame is meant. What I have found from the code is that it is meant to be the *geodetic* horizontal local frame. But is is meant to be fixed at the aircraft and thus rotates

RE: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-21 Thread Jon Berndt
On Freitag 20 Mai 2005 16:37, Andy Ross wrote: Mathias Fröhlich wrote: At first I need to know how this local frame is meant. What I have found from the code is that it is meant to be the *geodetic* horizontal local frame. But is is meant to be fixed at the aircraft and thus rotates

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-21 Thread DesmoSS
In a message dated 5/20/2005 8:36:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't test this, but it should work for a quick hack. The result will be an aircraft that looks like a Skyhawk but flies like a Warrior. A, Sweet...!!! Although the aircraft seems to act like a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-20 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi, On Donnerstag 19 Mai 2005 04:45, Jon Berndt wrote: We do have vUVWdot, which is body frame. We also have Tb2l, which is a transformation matrix that goes from body to local. This is where it gets hazy for me, too, and I have to sit and think about it, but since the body frame is rotating

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-20 Thread Andy Ross
Mathias Fröhlich wrote: At first I need to know how this local frame is meant. What I have found from the code is that it is meant to be the *geodetic* horizontal local frame. But is is meant to be fixed at the aircraft and thus rotates due to the aircrafts velocity or is it fixed at the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-20 Thread DesmoSS
In a message dated 5/20/2005 2:09:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But is is meant to be fixed at the aircraft and thus rotates due to the aircrafts velocity or is it fixed at the earth and relocated for every frame to display? Or the other question is: what is that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-20 Thread DesmoSS
In a message dated 5/20/2005 12:49:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or if you really want to cheat: use the Cessna 3D model with the Piper FDM configuration. :) I think that's how this whole thing started... YASim FDM with c172 model results in a YASim solution error

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-20 Thread Andy Ross
Mike wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Or if you really want to cheat: use the Cessna 3D model with the Piper FDM configuration. :) I think that's how this whole thing started... YASim FDM with c172 model results in a YASim solution error - insufficient elevator trim. Not the C172 model (which,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-20 Thread Andy Ross
Mike wrote: Could you send me some specifics on the above procedure? I'm playing around within the pa28-set.xml without much success. In your Aircraft/c172p directory, edit the c172p-set.xml file and replace these lines: flight-model archive=yjsb/flight-model aero archive=yc172p/aero

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-19 Thread DesmoSS
We can do this, it will just take some thinking. And, yes, Mathias is the expert, here. Thanks for your input, here... I'll sit tight and see if Mathias can respond. Mike ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-18 Thread DesmoSS
?? I would have figured the HUD symbology is FDM-independent. That would be ideal, however there seems to be a dis-connection between the EOM in the JSB models that's present in the YASim model. Of course, I'm comparing the PA-28 to the c172 models, but the PA-128 will drive the energy

RE: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-18 Thread Jon Berndt
That would be ideal, however there seems to be a dis-connection between the EOM in the JSB models that's present in the YASim model. Of course, I'm comparing the PA-28 to the c172 models, but the PA-128 will drive the energy markers within the HUD according to model velocities and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-18 Thread DesmoSS
Can you be specific? Which accelerations are zero. This may be a bug. hud_ladr.cxx defines: // OBJECT MOVING RETICLE // TYPE ENERGY_MARKERS // ATTRIB - ALWAYS //energy markers - compute potential slope if(energy_marker) { if (total_vel 5.0) { t1 = 0; t2 = 0; } else { t1 =

RE: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-18 Thread Jon Berndt
c172 JBS Axx, Ayy, Azz seem always zero where PA-28 and A-10 YASim have values. This effectively makes t2 = 0 and defeats the pot_slope from any value other than Vx, Vy, Vz. Mike Interesting. Since I lost a hard drive recently and haven't had time to reinstall FlightGear yet, I'll have

RE: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-18 Thread Jon Berndt
I'm a bit hazy on the reference frames, and I don't have a book handy, but it looks to me as if JSBSim doesn't calculate accelerations in the local frame (north, east, down). Maybe Jon or Mathias can weigh in on this, but looking at Propagate.h I see local-frame velocities available through

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-17 Thread Andy Ross
Michael G. Grizansky wrote: I noticed an earlier post regarding the A-10 yasim model with the same error and the repair seemed a simple typo repair, ( filght vs. light) in the control area. Is there some way I could perform some maintennance on this model or am I bumping up against a steep

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-17 Thread DesmoSS
But again: it is unlikely that this model will be maintained in the future. The standard FlightGear 172 is a JSBSim model, and it works quite well. If there is something specific you need from the Skyhawk model, you might best be served by modifying the JSBSim one. And if you want a YASim

RE: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-17 Thread Jon Berndt
I'm using the energy markers in the HUD to define inputs to the student and the Yasim FDM seems to support more HUD components than the JBS FDM... Mike ?? I would have figured the HUD symbology is FDM-independent. Jon ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-16 Thread Andy Ross
MICHAEL G KRIZANSKY wrote: I'm getting a YASim Solution Error when I try to run the c172r-yasim. The error states insufficient elevator for trim and FG then aborts. Is there anyone that can point me in the right direction. This particular configuration isn't maintained. I did it long ago when

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c172r-yasim solution error

2005-05-16 Thread MICHAEL G KRIZANSKY
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