Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-09-24 Thread David Megginson
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:59:41 +0200, Boris Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm bringing this back up again, because during my search for cross-platform capable ATC multiplayer software I stumbled across the following comment on http://www.atcsimulator.com [QUOTE:] August 19, 2004 -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-13 Thread Peter L
I wonder what would happen if some unaware pilot cuts the cable of an actively used cable railway in the Alps because of the lack of information. He he... You mean like the US air force a few years ago? Peter ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-13 Thread Erik Hofman
Peter L wrote: I wonder what would happen if some unaware pilot cuts the cable of an actively used cable railway in the Alps because of the lack of information. He he... You mean like the US air force a few years ago? Was it the USAF? I couldn't remember anymore, just that it happened.. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-13 Thread Peter L
Was it the USAF? I couldn't remember anymore, just that it happened.. Actually, marines. Very unfortunate accident in clear weather in 1998 in Italy. US marine training flight, the plane returned with some damage. The route was a well used one, but it appears they flew lower than normal.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-13 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: Ah...oh. H. What is the AIP? I hadn't read government into that first posting at all, but maybe there was a typo. If it is the RAAF or Aussie government in some form, this could be a serious problem for information on the web, that goes a bit beyond this one data set.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-13 Thread Peter L
- Original Message - From: David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF Jim Wilson wrote: Ah...oh. H. What is the AIP? I hadn't read government

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-12 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: Chris Metzler wrote: Is there an official announcement of this somewhere? I've looked all around the NGA and NACO sites but haven't found anything. How did he hear about this? Is there any kind of timetable? Were there reasons stated? According to the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-12 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: Lee Elliott wrote: I'm pretty sure that information/data can't be copyrighted - but the design of the presentation of the information/data can. I hope not, but every country has its own (bizarre) laws about this kind of thing -- for example, in Commonwealth

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-11 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi All Here is the information if anyone wants to read it. http://www.avweb.com/bizav/10_04/news/186538-1.html David Megginson writes Chris Metzler wrote: Is there an official announcement of this somewhere? I've looked all around the NGA and NACO sites but haven't found anything. How did he

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-11 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Before I bash Oz any more, I'll repeat the problem that Garmin had with my own government recently. The Garmin 296 handheld GPS includes terrain obstructions (such as towers), which could save of lives; however, the Canadian government refused to provide obstruction

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread Chris Metzler
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:20:28 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message just came to one of the aviation newsgroups from Paul Tomblin, who maintains several free GPS/flight-planning databases. It looks like we'll be losing the DAFIF soon, which is our source for most

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread David Megginson
Chris Metzler wrote: Is there an official announcement of this somewhere? I've looked all around the NGA and NACO sites but haven't found anything. How did he hear about this? Is there any kind of timetable? Were there reasons stated? According to the message I quoted, the Australian

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread Chris Metzler
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:19:15 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Metzler wrote: Is there an official announcement of this somewhere? I've looked all around the NGA and NACO sites but haven't found anything. How did he hear about this? Is there any kind of timetable?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread Lee Elliott
On Tuesday 10 August 2004 20:19, David Megginson wrote: Chris Metzler wrote: Is there an official announcement of this somewhere? I've looked all around the NGA and NACO sites but haven't found anything. How did he hear about this? Is there any kind of timetable? Were there reasons

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread Chris Metzler
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:58:15 +0100 Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure that information/data can't be copyrighted - but the design of the presentation of the information/data can. You'd think so, wouldn't you? And traditionally, that's been the opinion of U.S. courts -- that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread David Megginson
Lee Elliott wrote: I'm pretty sure that information/data can't be copyrighted - but the design of the presentation of the information/data can. I hope not, but every country has its own (bizarre) laws about this kind of thing -- for example, in Commonwealth countries, including Canada and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:01:38 -0400, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lee Elliott wrote: I'm pretty sure that information/data can't be copyrighted - but the design of the presentation of the information/data can. I hope not, but every country has its own (bizarre) laws about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ALERT: Losing the DAFIF

2004-08-10 Thread David Megginson
Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..so, in Canada, copyright is more important than lives. This has been in the media? They usually love to roast governments over stuff like this. ;-) COPA's done its best, but the issue is not going anywhere. On the bright side, while the copyright law in Canada does not