Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-26 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Vivian Meazza wrote:
Harald JOHNSEN wrote:
 

I have another probleme with wincvs.
In the list of files in the explorer nearly all files have an 'unknown'
state. So i don't have the diff choice when I right click on them.
I've tried an update with the command line but that does not chance
anything. Its a fresh install of wincvs 2.x but I had the same with the
1.3.
Harald.
   

I'm absolutely not a WinCVS guru. What I know about it has been learned
mostly by trial and error (some of the former and lots of the latter). The
documentation, shall we say, leaves a lot to be desired.
So here goes. What are the extensions of the unknown status files? Many
files in the source code are generated by the compiler, and are therefore
not in the repository (sorry, BGOTO) extensions .a, .o .exe fall into this
category. Files which you have generated and are not in the repository also
have the status unknown. Some editors spew these like crazy; they are hidden
in windows explorer, but not in WinCVS.
Try selecting a directory (make sure it's not one in which you have modified
files - that's not fatal, but recovering your work is a darned nuisance -,
then Modify  Update. On the update screen select 'create missing
directories' and 'get the clean copy'. See what happens.
Next, open some directory in windows explorer and delete the files which
have status unknown (but are not .a .o. or .exe) See what happens - they
should get the status missing. (If they don't they are probably not in the
repository in the first place.) Then try the above again to restore them.
Finally, if none of this addresses the problem, you can always delete the
directories and start over. I've had to do that several times when my copy
and the cvs copy just got too far out of line. The good thing about the
later versions of WinCVS is that it pretty much works, but it's not all that
intuitive and takes some figuring out.
Hope none of this is teaching grandmother to suck eggs. 

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Thx for the help. Nothing worked so I did a checkout on an empty 
directory as you sugjested.
If cvs creates the files all is ok. It does not work with files coming 
from a tarball or created by hand.

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Drew wrote

 
 I'm trying this now with wincvs.  I click Admin-Command Line, and
 then enter the following string:
 
 cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login
 CVS passwd: guest
 
 When I hit 'ok', it comes back with Unable to initialize the CVS
 process.  The system cannot find the file specified
 
 There are also some instructions I found on using CVS with Windows on
 the FlightGear site, but it refers to commands with umn.edu addresses,
 which does not correspond with the page it links to (flightgear.org).
 So now I'm confused by this as well.
 
 Someone please help me out.
 

To login use Admin  Login then ... at the bottom right of the login screen
to access the editing facility. Select:

Protocol - pserver
Repository Path - cvs.flightgear.org:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9
Keywords - Username - use 'Edit' to enter cvsguest
 - Password - use 'Edit' to enter guest
OK to enter all that, then OK to login on the login screen

This will log you in - I've just done it

Alternatively on Admin  Command line enter:

cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login

and only that

then enter guest as the password when the splash screen is displayed

HTH

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Drew
Thanks for the reply.

 To login use Admin  Login then ... at the bottom right of the login screen
 to access the editing facility. Select:
 
 Protocol - pserver
 Repository Path - cvs.flightgear.org:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9
 Keywords - Username - use 'Edit' to enter cvsguest
  - Password - use 'Edit' to enter guest
 OK to enter all that, then OK to login on the login screen
 
 This will log you in - I've just done it
When I go to Admin-Login, I just get a window that has a CVSROOT
field at the bottom (empty).  There's a button with an ellipsis on it,
and when I select that, I can see the settings you mention, but they
are greyed out...uneditable (and blank).

 Alternatively on Admin  Command line enter:
 
 cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login
 
 and only that
 
 then enter guest as the password when the splash screen is displayed
I didn't get any splash screen or login prompt...only the same error
message Unable to initialize the CVS process:  The system cannot find
the file specified.

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Drew wrote

 
  To login use Admin  Login then ... at the bottom right of the login
 screen
  to access the editing facility. Select:
 
  Protocol - pserver
  Repository Path - cvs.flightgear.org:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9
  Keywords - Username - use 'Edit' to enter cvsguest
   - Password - use 'Edit' to enter guest
  OK to enter all that, then OK to login on the login screen
 
  This will log you in - I've just done it
 When I go to Admin-Login, I just get a window that has a CVSROOT
 field at the bottom (empty).  There's a button with an ellipsis on it,
 and when I select that, I can see the settings you mention, but they
 are greyed out...uneditable (and blank).
 
  Alternatively on Admin  Command line enter:
 
  cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9
 login
 
  and only that
 
  then enter guest as the password when the splash screen is displayed
 I didn't get any splash screen or login prompt...only the same error
 message Unable to initialize the CVS process:  The system cannot find
 the file specified.
 

I can't duplicate that which you describe. Perhaps a duff installation? Do
you have Python or Perl installed? Are you using WinCvs 2.0.0.2 build 2?

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Drew
It prompted me to install python when I first ran it, so I did install
python.  Not Pearl, though.  Yes, I have version 2.0.0.2 build 2.

On 4/25/05, Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Drew wrote
 
 
   To login use Admin  Login then ... at the bottom right of the login
  screen
   to access the editing facility. Select:
  
   Protocol - pserver
   Repository Path - cvs.flightgear.org:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9
   Keywords - Username - use 'Edit' to enter cvsguest
- Password - use 'Edit' to enter guest
   OK to enter all that, then OK to login on the login screen
  
   This will log you in - I've just done it
  When I go to Admin-Login, I just get a window that has a CVSROOT
  field at the bottom (empty).  There's a button with an ellipsis on it,
  and when I select that, I can see the settings you mention, but they
  are greyed out...uneditable (and blank).
 
   Alternatively on Admin  Command line enter:
  
   cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9
  login
  
   and only that
  
   then enter guest as the password when the splash screen is displayed
  I didn't get any splash screen or login prompt...only the same error
  message Unable to initialize the CVS process:  The system cannot find
  the file specified.
 
 
 I can't duplicate that which you describe. Perhaps a duff installation? Do
 you have Python or Perl installed? Are you using WinCvs 2.0.0.2 build 2?
 
 Regards,
 
 Vivian
 
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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Drew wrote

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-devel-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Sent: 25 April 2005 09:20
 To: FlightGear developers discussions
 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation
 
 It prompted me to install python when I first ran it, so I did install
 python.  Not Pearl, though.  Yes, I have version 2.0.0.2 build 2.
 

Have you set the home directory in Admin  preferences? 

V.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Drew
 Have you set the home directory in Admin  preferences?

I hadn't, but I just did...I assume this is the directory in which the
source trees get saved?  It says to read the documentation, but I
can't find the documentation.

Anyway, adding a home directory didn't change anything.  I still get
the same error.

Thanks,
Drew

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Vivian Meazza


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-devel-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew
 Sent: 25 April 2005 16:57
 To: FlightGear developers discussions
 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation
 
  Have you set the home directory in Admin  preferences?
 
 I hadn't, but I just did...I assume this is the directory in which the
 source trees get saved?  

Yes - removing it here produced the grey-out entries, but I can't reproduce
the file error.

 It says to read the documentation, but I
 can't find the documentation.

They are under Help  CVS Documentation

If they aren't do you have an incomplete installation?

Do you have a (hidden) file cvspass somewhere on your system? This might be
the missing file, but that's a WAG.

 
 Anyway, adding a home directory didn't change anything.  I still get
 the same error.
 

I think it might be uninstall and reinstall time. I have no other ideas. All
I can say is that it's worked here for several years, and that I downloaded
and installed the latest version a couple of days ago.

V.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Drew
Ah...that's alright, I'll just stick with what I have.  I was told it
was a few mouse clicks, and it's already taken more of my time that
it's worth.  All I'm really trying to do is draw a black rectangle.

Thanks for your help.
Drew

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Vivian Meazza wrote:
Drew wrote
 

Ah...that's alright, I'll just stick with what I have.  I was told it
was a few mouse clicks, and it's already taken more of my time that
it's worth.  All I'm really trying to do is draw a black rectangle.
Thanks for your help.
   

No problem, pity you can't make it work - it really is a boon during
development. But you are right not to waste time on it.
V.

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I have another probleme with wincvs.
In the list of files in the explorer nearly all files have an 'unknown' 
state. So i don't have the diff choice when I right click on them.
I've tried an update with the command line but that does not chance 
anything. Its a fresh install of wincvs 2.x but I had the same with the 1.3.

Harald.

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Harald JOHNSEN wrote:

 I have another probleme with wincvs.
 In the list of files in the explorer nearly all files have an 'unknown'
 state. So i don't have the diff choice when I right click on them.
 I've tried an update with the command line but that does not chance
 anything. Its a fresh install of wincvs 2.x but I had the same with the
 1.3.
 
 Harald.
 

I'm absolutely not a WinCVS guru. What I know about it has been learned
mostly by trial and error (some of the former and lots of the latter). The
documentation, shall we say, leaves a lot to be desired.

So here goes. What are the extensions of the unknown status files? Many
files in the source code are generated by the compiler, and are therefore
not in the repository (sorry, BGOTO) extensions .a, .o .exe fall into this
category. Files which you have generated and are not in the repository also
have the status unknown. Some editors spew these like crazy; they are hidden
in windows explorer, but not in WinCVS.

Try selecting a directory (make sure it's not one in which you have modified
files - that's not fatal, but recovering your work is a darned nuisance -,
then Modify  Update. On the update screen select 'create missing
directories' and 'get the clean copy'. See what happens.

Next, open some directory in windows explorer and delete the files which
have status unknown (but are not .a .o. or .exe) See what happens - they
should get the status missing. (If they don't they are probably not in the
repository in the first place.) Then try the above again to restore them.

Finally, if none of this addresses the problem, you can always delete the
directories and start over. I've had to do that several times when my copy
and the cvs copy just got too far out of line. The good thing about the
later versions of WinCVS is that it pretty much works, but it's not all that
intuitive and takes some figuring out.

Hope none of this is teaching grandmother to suck eggs. 

V. 





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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-24 Thread Drew
I'm trying this now with wincvs.  I click Admin-Command Line, and
then enter the following string:

cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login
CVS passwd: guest

When I hit 'ok', it comes back with Unable to initialize the CVS
process.  The system cannot find the file specified

There are also some instructions I found on using CVS with Windows on
the FlightGear site, but it refers to commands with umn.edu addresses,
which does not correspond with the page it links to (flightgear.org). 
So now I'm confused by this as well.

Someone please help me out.

Thanks,
Drew

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Drew wrote

 
  And a red one for -ve G. With a bit of texture.
 
 I never liked the 'red-out' in simulators...do pilot's really see red?
  I thought it was just called red-out because of excess blood to the
 brain.
 
 In any case, I thought of the same thing, myself (using this for GLOC).
 

Apparently they do, although the effect is less well understood than
blackout:

http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/ac91-61.txt

Regards

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-21 Thread Drew
 I don't buy that argument. It's easier to grow with fgfs in small
 steps than to adapt everything after major releases. Following the
 cvslogs mailing list is usually enough, and there isn't such a fast
 progress anyway.

Ok, I'm trying to take your advice, and get a later version of the source.

I tried downloading the tar archive of the latest CVS flightear, but
it doesn't compile with the latest release of SimGear.  Is there an
archive somewhere of a development SimGear version, or will I have to
install a CVS client to get this code?  I'm using Windows, and have
never used CVS before.  I can't be wasting too much time on this...too
many other things to do.

Thanks,
Drew

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-21 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Drew a écrit :
I don't buy that argument. It's easier to grow with fgfs in small
steps than to adapt everything after major releases. Following the
cvslogs mailing list is usually enough, and there isn't such a fast
progress anyway.
   

Ok, I'm trying to take your advice, and get a later version of the source.
I tried downloading the tar archive of the latest CVS flightear, but
it doesn't compile with the latest release of SimGear.  Is there an
archive somewhere of a development SimGear version, or will I have to
install a CVS client to get this code?  I'm using Windows, and have
never used CVS before.  I can't be wasting too much time on this...too
many other things to do.
 

It is very easy with this tool : http://www.wincvs.org/download.html
When using CVS, you have to keep SimGear, FlightGear and the data in 
sync, but it is just a few click with Wincvs.

-Fred

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-21 Thread Andy Ross
Drew wrote:
 I tried downloading the tar archive of the latest CVS flightear, but
 it doesn't compile with the latest release of SimGear.  Is there an
 archive somewhere of a development SimGear version, or will I have
 to install a CVS client to get this code?  I'm using Windows, and
 have never used CVS before.  I can't be wasting too much time on
 this...too many other things to do.

This isn't wasted time.  Learning to use CVS to synch to open source
projects will be a skill you use for the rest of your life (or at
least until everyone moves onto subversion or darcs or arch or
whatever).  Like it or not, limiting yourself to released versions of
software kinda makes you a second class citizen in this world.  If you
want to participate in development discussions and test the bleeding
edge features, you need to speak the same language as the rest of the
developers. :)

I assume you are using cygwin?  In which case you want you can run the
setup.exe program you find at http://www.cygwin.com, check off the
cvs box, and let the download/installation finish.

Then just follow the instructions on the websites.  SimGear and
FlightGear are pretty much identical:

  http://flightgear.org/cvs/anoncvs.html
  http://simgear.org/cvs.html

Basically, for each archive you do a cvs login, followed by a cvs
co.  Then you run an autogen.sh script in each to generate the
configure script, then run them like you normally do.

Andy

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-21 Thread Drew
 This isn't wasted time.  Learning to use CVS to synch to open source
 projects will be a skill you use for the rest of your life (or at
 least until everyone moves onto subversion or darcs or arch or
 whatever).  Like it or not, limiting yourself to released versions of
 software kinda makes you a second class citizen in this world.  If you
 want to participate in development discussions and test the bleeding
 edge features, you need to speak the same language as the rest of the
 developers. :)
 
 I assume you are using cygwin?  In which case you want you can run the
 setup.exe program you find at http://www.cygwin.com, check off the
 cvs box, and let the download/installation finish.

I'm using Visual Studio.  My current goal, though, is not to be
testing bleeding edge features, to be perfectly honest.  I've got a
simulation that I'm developing, using FlightGear as an image
generator, and I have a deadline to meet.  Honestly, I'd love to get
acquainted with CVS and familiarize myself with the process, but it's
more important right now that I get this particular project finished. 
Also, I don't want to be introducing unknowns by working with a
continually changing product.

Drew

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-21 Thread Drew
 It is very easy with this tool : http://www.wincvs.org/download.html
 
 When using CVS, you have to keep SimGear, FlightGear and the data in
 sync, but it is just a few click with Wincvs.
 
 -Fred

Thanks for the help.  I think I'll put this on hold right now, and try
it during the weekend when I have some free time.

Drew

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Frederic Bouvier wrote

 
 Drew a écrit :
 
 I don't buy that argument. It's easier to grow with fgfs in small
 steps than to adapt everything after major releases. Following the
 cvslogs mailing list is usually enough, and there isn't such a fast
 progress anyway.
 
 
 
 Ok, I'm trying to take your advice, and get a later version of the
 source.
 
 I tried downloading the tar archive of the latest CVS flightear, but
 it doesn't compile with the latest release of SimGear.  Is there an
 archive somewhere of a development SimGear version, or will I have to
 install a CVS client to get this code?  I'm using Windows, and have
 never used CVS before.  I can't be wasting too much time on this...too
 many other things to do.
 
 
 
 It is very easy with this tool : http://www.wincvs.org/download.html
 
 When using CVS, you have to keep SimGear, FlightGear and the data in
 sync, but it is just a few click with Wincvs.
 

I use Wincvs and Cygwin. I find that using Wincvs on the source code can
muck things up for compiling on Cygwin, but it's just great for data, diffs
individual source code files etc - just be careful when downloading the full
source code. I haven't investigated it fully, but it seems to be a root
issue. No worries, Cygwin comes with an easy to use command line version of
cvs - just follow the instructions.

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Drew
Thank you very much for your help...I'll try it out and let you know
how it goes.

Drew

On 4/20/05, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Improved dialog nasal file attached. Just drop it into $FG_ROOT/Nasal/ again.
 It does monitor the property /sim/rendering/blackout and turns the screen
 black accordingly. And it offers three commands for Nasal context:
 
   black.open();
   black.close();
   black.toggle();
 
 m.
 
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Andy Ross
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 Improved dialog nasal file attached. Just drop it into
 $FG_ROOT/Nasal/ again.  It does monitor the property
 /sim/rendering/blackout and turns the screen black accordingly. And
 it offers three commands for Nasal context:

Cool, now animate the alpha value and tie it to the pilot acceleration
property to simulate GLOC. :)

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote

 
 Melchior FRANZ wrote:
  Improved dialog nasal file attached. Just drop it into
  $FG_ROOT/Nasal/ again.  It does monitor the property
  /sim/rendering/blackout and turns the screen black accordingly. And
  it offers three commands for Nasal context:
 
 Cool, now animate the alpha value and tie it to the pilot acceleration
 property to simulate GLOC. :)


And a red one for -ve G. With a bit of texture.

Regards,

Vivian 



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Drew
 And a red one for -ve G. With a bit of texture.

I never liked the 'red-out' in simulators...do pilot's really see red?
 I thought it was just called red-out because of excess blood to the
brain.

In any case, I thought of the same thing, myself (using this for GLOC).

Drew

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Drew
 Whoops. There was an embarrassing bug in it. Better take this here:

I still get that same error on this line:

switch = props.globals.getNode(/sim/rendering/blackout, 1);

Does this property need to be declared somewhere?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Drew
Both.  That line is identical in both versions, so I wouldn't expect
any differences.

BTW, I know I don't have the latest and greatest Nasal, as Andy's been
discussing.  For instance, it didn't recognize the if ? then  : else
syntax, but I knew how to fix that.

Drew

On 4/20/05, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 * Drew -- Wednesday 20 April 2005 23:42:
  Nasal runtime error: no such member at ./data/Nasal/black.nas, line 4
 
 In which version? The last one, for which I sent the URL?
 http://members.aon.at/mfranz/black.nas
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Drew
 (Not that it had to. But it was fun. :-)

Not so fun for me, though.  I suppose I need to get the new Nasal
code, now, or is there a way to do this with the old version?  I'm
running the 0.9.8 release.  I'm making too many custom mods to be
chasing a moving target.

Drew

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Blank screen implementation

2005-04-20 Thread Andy Ross
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 Drew wrote:
  switch = props.globals.getNode(/sim/rendering/blackout, 1);
 
  Does this property need to be declared somewhere?

 No. The line is OK. But maybe your version of fgfs isn't? The Nasal code
 is for fgfs CVS/HEAD. It uses Nasal syntax that was added to CVS yesterday.
 (Not that it had to. But it was fun.  :-)

Actually, that would just cause a parser error.  I suspect what's
really happening is that on Drew's system the black.nas file is being
loaded before props.nas (the order is arbitrary -- whatever the OS
gives you).

Nasal currently lacks an import feature that allows you to say
please stop executing this file until this other file is loaded, then
resume.  Although with the new features, this would be easy to add.

For right now, the safest thing is to put your initialization code (at
least the parts that depend on other modules) into a function and set
it to run after startup with settimer().

Andy

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