Re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
The problems people have with the xBSD have nothing to do with FGFS. Once you've got all the dependencies (i.e. GL, PLIB, MK, etc) working, You might get in trouble with some graphics boards that are not supported by XFree86/DRI. I know that there is a project to build something that is comparable to the NVidia Linux kernel module but I don't know by now how far development has gone now, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
FWIW on a SuSE 7.3 system I had to downgrade (install parallel actually) autoconf. Just pointing out SuSE needed a little tweak too. I would'nt call it that way. Autoconf on SuSE-7.3 works pretty nice. The only tweak is that you have to run 'aclocal' with '-I .'. I know this because I do build FlightGear from CVS on a daily basis, using SuSE-7.3. I once asked to include this into the 'autogen.sh' script but nobody noticed, so I'm running my own stuff: # ls CVS /dev/null (libtoolize --copy --force; aclocal -I .; autoheader; automake -a; autoconf) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
Greg Long writes: My question is primarily this: Other that personal preference, is there any major need to install Debian over RedHat Linux 7.2 for FlighGear development? I notice the gcc issue in the FAQ, but I should be cool on that with 7.2, though I'll check. I think that we have many RedHat users working with FlightGear, so there should be no problem. We'll convert you to Debian some other time. I have a friend who might join in as well, and he has an OpenBSD setup. If there are any known issues with FlightGear work on that platform please advise. That's great -- I think we have very few OpenBSD users, and the more the merrier for hunting down bugs, etc. All the best, David -- David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, David Megginson wrote: I think that we have many RedHat users working with FlightGear, so there should be no problem. We'll convert you to Debian some other time. distro holy war At this point I'll just add that Slackware users don't have any problems - it flightgear is happy on a default install. /distro holy war :-) -- Jon StockillPublic Key: C6BD585D [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
On Sunday 17 March 2002 03:57 am, you wrote: FWIW on a SuSE 7.3 system I had to downgrade (install parallel actually) autoconf. Just pointing out SuSE needed a little tweak too. I would'nt call it that way. Autoconf on SuSE-7.3 works pretty nice. The only tweak is that you have to run 'aclocal' with '-I .'. I know this because I do build FlightGear from CVS on a daily basis, using SuSE-7.3. I once asked to include this into the 'autogen.sh' script but nobody noticed, so I'm running my own stuff: # ls CVS /dev/null (libtoolize --copy --force; aclocal -I .; autoheader; automake -a; autoconf) Martin. Hmm... maybe it was automake then. I'm not paying that much attention. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
Personally, I use Red Hat 7.1 and have had no problems building FlightGear. I have had some problems upgrading to 7.2 so I have stayed where I am. From the friends that I have who use Linux, Debian seems to be the preferred distribution. Debian has a superior package manager, but I have found old versions (2.2) to be rather difficult to install (OK, I prefer the graphical installation process of RH). I am planning to transition when 3.0 arrives (soon?). Jonathan Polley p.s. I have had none of the problems with OpenGL that is warned in the FAQ and am running gcc 2.9x, rather than 3. On Saturday, March 16, 2002, at 06:23 PM, Greg Long wrote: I don't want to turn this into a distro debate, but I'm fixing to install Linux on my Thunderbird 1333 /1gb RAM workstation mostly for the purpose of joining in on development. My question is primarily this: Other that personal preference, is there any major need to install Debian over RedHat Linux 7.2 for FlighGear development? I notice the gcc issue in the FAQ, but I should be cool on that with 7.2, though I'll check. I have a friend who might join in as well, and he has an OpenBSD setup. If there are any known issues with FlightGear work on that platform please advise. I'll study the program and source some more and get it to compile before I mouth off with more questions :) Greg - [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
My question is primarily this: Other that personal preference, is there any major need to install Debian over RedHat Linux 7.2 for FlighGear development? No _need_. If you're comfortable fixing the kinds of problems that the FAQ warns about, all of which _are_ fixable, then there is no incentive against RH at all. Remember, this isn't a D vs RH comparison. It's just there is a laundry list of problems that RH is subject to ... which Turbo, SuSE, etc are not. I have a friend who might join in as well, and he has an OpenBSD setup. The problems people have with the xBSD have nothing to do with FGFS. Once you've got all the dependencies (i.e. GL, PLIB, MK, etc) working, I don't recall hearing of any problems with SimGear or FlightGear itself. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Redhat (vs debian) / BSD OK?
Greg Long wrote: Sounds like a go ahead to stick with familiar turf - RH7.2 And I agree - their package manager sucks, but Anaconda rocks as an installer - with the exception that it won't tell you on the fly if you have bad packages, it just gets to some point and chokes. Had that happen a couple of times. Random plug: if you haven't tried Ximian's Red Carpet yet, you really should. Written originally as an update agent for their desktop product (which also rocks), it also handles package download and installation for a bunch of other distributions, including Red Hat. It is *much* nicer than Red Hat's own up2date utility. Everything just does the Right Thing, it's amazing. Run it as a non-root user, and it helpfully offers you a password window to authenticate yourself. If there are security updates to any of your installed software available, it immediately shows them to you and gives you an update now button before it does anything else. It even checks the MD5 signatures of everything it installs, for that added shot of paranoid goodness. It also does a really good job of handling nasty dependency reversion problems. If something you want to install, say, requires an upgrade to a package, and that upgrade breaks compatibility with something you already have installed, it actually (1) tells you what's happened and (2) gives you the option to back out all the legacy packages and install anyway. This is very cool; this kind of dependency problem is a huge hassle to handle with raw RPM. If you don't mind paying for stuff, they also sell a $10/month premium service with ostensibly better bandwidth than their normal mirrors. I routinely get 100+ kbyte/s speeds over my cable modem with this, and am happy to pay the fee. The only complaint is that, being a separate service, they can lag the distribution vendor by a few hours with updates. The recent zlib updates didn't appear on Red Carpet until the day after I'd already fetched them from Red Hat directly. Andy -- Andrew J. RossNextBus Information Systems Senior Software Engineer Emeryville, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nextbus.com Men go crazy in conflagrations. They only get better one by one. - Sting (misquoted) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
