Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
On Nov 16, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Durk Talsma wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2008 20:34:48 Heiko Schulz wrote: Small? I think people with lower computer perfomance will have problems- but there is always --proportion=1.0 Ah yes, the one file I committed does contain the singlemost largest operator at EHAM. The sample is small in the sense that I checked in data from only one airline. But, my experience is that you need to have a fairly large set already, if you want to see any action at all, hence my choice to commit the KLM files. The proportion property should still work to limit the amount of loaded aircraft, although I haven't checked that very closely. Will have a look later. But looks great! If we could get the AI/ATC interactions work with voice (like ATIS) it would be much more great! I know that some people have successfully streamed the text messages to the festival speech generator. That's still something that I would like to try. hi. As being one of the only blind female pilots in here voice on that part of the towercommunication would be a good idea instead of as it is now using the synth for it . However there is one thing. If we should have that one would have to make all the words for it and it would have to be called each time as it is for ATIS. It is not a bad idea at all just saying :) As for streaming text to speach i do that all the time with a lot of the instruments dme, vor, gps, rpm for the engine, throttle, heading altitude ground view and so on. Okies when i started in here i had AndersG and Jester helping me making it work that way that it streamed it to the speach that is in my mac but the selution was simply not good and responsive enough. I ended up installing a free speach that i also use on my windows box... could we forget i admitted that ? It really did not work in a fast and mature way til i did. So 2 things are important if you want ot use speach on flightgear. 1: what speach do you like which one can your brain handle at over 370 words pr minute and yes it sometimes is that hectic round ksfo, cause of all the pilots chittering . 2 how much memory does the speach use from your computer ? well i started with alex for mac and as much as i adore him he was simply not good enough for the task, i guess the fact that i fly from a mac book air did not help metters either :) I just found eham for some days ago. thanks for a nice place to fly !:) /sandi I suggest using ATC insted using mibs ;-) Ah, good suggestion. Will give it a try. :-) Very nice all that- though I have problems running the perl script on win32. But though it seems that we get with your patch a realistic dense of AI-traffic! To stick to the perl philosophy: There's probably more than one way... ...to convert traffic data to xml. Admittedly, my perl scripts were a bit of a quick hack to get stuff converted quickly. I shouldn't be a problem at all to write a little utility that would do the conversion in another language. Theoretically, it should be possible to run perl in cygwin. It's probably a little heavy to install cygwin, just to run perl, but it should work nevertheless. -For a better MD11/ DC10 KLM-Model and other models -have a look into the current Shared-models package! Ah, thanks! I didn't know they were released already. I'll have a look. Now, it's just too bad that Northwest stopped operating the DC10... Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] traffic manager II
On Nov 16, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Durk Talsma wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2008 20:34:48 Heiko Schulz wrote: Small? I think people with lower computer perfomance will have problems- but there is always --proportion=1.0 Ah yes, the one file I committed does contain the singlemost largest operator at EHAM. The sample is small in the sense that I checked in data from only one airline. But, my experience is that you need to have a fairly large set already, if you want to see any action at all, hence my choice to commit the KLM files. The proportion property should still work to limit the amount of loaded aircraft, although I haven't checked that very closely. Will have a look later. But looks great! If we could get the AI/ATC interactions work with voice (like ATIS) it would be much more great! I know that some people have successfully streamed the text messages to the festival speech generator. That's still something that I would like to try. hi. As being one of the only blind female pilots in here voice on that part of the towercommunication would be a good idea instead of as it is now using the synth for it . However there is one thing. If we should have that one would have to make all the words for it and it would have to be called each time as it is for ATIS. It is not a bad idea at all just saying :) As for streaming text to speach i do that all the time with a lot of the instruments dme, vor, gps, rpm for the engine, throttle, heading altitude ground view and so on. Okies when i started in here i had AndersG and Jester helping me making it work that way that it streamed it to the speach that is in my mac but the selution was simply not good and responsive enough. I ended up installing a free speach that i also use on my windows box... could we forget i admitted that ? It really did not work in a fast and mature way til i did. So 2 things are important if you want ot use speach on flightgear. 1: what speach do you like which one can your brain handle at over 370 words pr minute and yes it sometimes is that hectic round ksfo, cause of all the pilots chittering . 2 how much memory does the speach use from your computer ? well i started with alex for mac and as much as i adore him he was simply not good enough for the task, i guess the fact that i fly from a mac book air did not help metters either :) I just found eham for some days ago. thanks for a nice place to fly !:) /sandi ps dont know why my first attempt did not go through first time . :)- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
On Sunday 16 November 2008 00:02:13 Durk Talsma wrote: I believe that the code has now matured enough to give it a wider audience. Therefore, I intend to commit this code tomorrow. I will also commit a small sample of the EHAM demo that we are working on. Done. I have also included a small sample of the new xml based airline data (schedules for KLM and KLM cityhopper, which should give a fairly good impression of the system's capabilities). This is part of the EHAM demo that we are currently working on. I will commit the rest pending feedback and completion of the demo. To give the new code a shot, try running flightgear with: ./src/Main/fgfs --airport=EHAM --aircraft=mibs --com1=121.7 There is some limited support for AI/ATC interaction. This currently only works for startup messages. More will follow. For those interested in creating traffic: The current xml files can be created rather easily using a plain text format (identical to my initial test files), and a little perl script that I hacked together. I will commit those probably later, since they are still a little immature. These scripts are, however, available upon request. Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
Hello, Done. I have also included a small sample of the new xml based airline data (schedules for KLM and KLM cityhopper, which should give a fairly good impression of the system's capabilities). This is part of the EHAM demo that we are currently working on. I will commit the rest pending feedback and completion of the demo. Small? I think people with lower computer perfomance will have problems- but there is always --proportion=1.0 But looks great! If we could get the AI/ATC interactions work with voice (like ATIS) it would be much more great! To give the new code a shot, try running flightgear with: ./src/Main/fgfs --airport=EHAM --aircraft=mibs --com1=121.7 I suggest using ATC insted using mibs ;-) For those interested in creating traffic: The current xml files can be created rather easily using a plain text format (identical to my initial test files), and a little perl script that I hacked together. I will commit those probably later, since they are still a little immature. These scripts are, however, available upon request. Cheers, Durk Very nice all that- though I have problems running the perl script on win32. But though it seems that we get with your patch a realistic dense of AI-traffic! Cheers HHS -For a better MD11/ DC10 KLM-Model and other models -have a look into the current Shared-models package! - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
On Sunday 16 November 2008 20:34:48 Heiko Schulz wrote: Small? I think people with lower computer perfomance will have problems- but there is always --proportion=1.0 Ah yes, the one file I committed does contain the singlemost largest operator at EHAM. The sample is small in the sense that I checked in data from only one airline. But, my experience is that you need to have a fairly large set already, if you want to see any action at all, hence my choice to commit the KLM files. The proportion property should still work to limit the amount of loaded aircraft, although I haven't checked that very closely. Will have a look later. But looks great! If we could get the AI/ATC interactions work with voice (like ATIS) it would be much more great! I know that some people have successfully streamed the text messages to the festival speech generator. That's still something that I would like to try. I suggest using ATC insted using mibs ;-) Ah, good suggestion. Will give it a try. :-) Very nice all that- though I have problems running the perl script on win32. But though it seems that we get with your patch a realistic dense of AI-traffic! To stick to the perl philosophy: There's probably more than one way... ...to convert traffic data to xml. Admittedly, my perl scripts were a bit of a quick hack to get stuff converted quickly. I shouldn't be a problem at all to write a little utility that would do the conversion in another language. Theoretically, it should be possible to run perl in cygwin. It's probably a little heavy to install cygwin, just to run perl, but it should work nevertheless. -For a better MD11/ DC10 KLM-Model and other models -have a look into the current Shared-models package! Ah, thanks! I didn't know they were released already. I'll have a look. Now, it's just too bad that Northwest stopped operating the DC10... Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
On Thursday 21 August 2008 23:11:12 Durk Talsma wrote: The main improvement of the current code is that I've switched to a more efficient search mechanism to link Aircraft and Flights. There are still a few things left to do before the code is ready for CVS: - Switch the file format back to xml - Ensure backward compatibiliy (it's actually fairly easy to do) - More cleanup. Just to stick to the tradition of filling this thread by replying to my own postings, here's another one. I believe that the code has now matured enough to give it a wider audience. Therefore, I intend to commit this code tomorrow. I will also commit a small sample of the EHAM demo that we are working on. Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
Durk Talsma wrote: On Thursday 31 July 2008 21:22, Durk Talsma wrote: For the adventurous, I've also posted a snapshot of the current code (source only). Feedback is appreciated. For those interested, here's another snapshot of the current in development code of the traffic manager: http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/FlightGear-1.0.0-new-traffic-manager-prev2.tar.gz The main improvement of the current code is that I've switched to a more efficient search mechanism to link Aircraft and Flights. There are still a few things left to do before the code is ready for CVS: - Switch the file format back to xml - Ensure backward compatibiliy (it's actually fairly easy to do) - More cleanup. There is also the accompanying data file. This file contains a broad selection of Flights to and from EHAM, based on the August 2008 time table. All required AI aircraft should be in the CVS data package now. http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/new-traffic-data-prev2.zip Finally, the new code works extremely well in combination with the new EHAM terminal buildings that Gijs is working on. Reason to add a few more screenshots to my FlightGear AI in development webpage: http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/web/75.html Enjoy! Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Is anyone else having trouble with the new-traffic-data-prev2.zip file. I've tried downloading with Win xp and Ubuntu, but both are showing errors. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
Brett Harrison wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with the new-traffic-data-prev2.zip file. I've tried downloading with Win xp and Ubuntu, but both are showing errors. This is a compressed tar file which mistakenly has a different filename suffix, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
Martin Spott wrote: Brett Harrison wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with the new-traffic-data-prev2.zip file. I've tried downloading with Win xp and Ubuntu, but both are showing errors. This is a compressed tar file which mistakenly has a different filename suffix, Martin. Thanks Martin, problem solved. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
On Friday 22 August 2008 09:58:20 Martin Spott wrote: This is a compressed tar file which mistakenly has a different filename suffix, Oh, yikes. Things were running a little late yesterday when I posted this. I'll try to replace the data file with a proper zip tomorrow. Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
On Thursday 31 July 2008 21:22, Durk Talsma wrote: For the adventurous, I've also posted a snapshot of the current code (source only). Feedback is appreciated. For those interested, here's another snapshot of the current in development code of the traffic manager: http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/FlightGear-1.0.0-new-traffic-manager-prev2.tar.gz The main improvement of the current code is that I've switched to a more efficient search mechanism to link Aircraft and Flights. There are still a few things left to do before the code is ready for CVS: - Switch the file format back to xml - Ensure backward compatibiliy (it's actually fairly easy to do) - More cleanup. There is also the accompanying data file. This file contains a broad selection of Flights to and from EHAM, based on the August 2008 time table. All required AI aircraft should be in the CVS data package now. http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/new-traffic-data-prev2.zip Finally, the new code works extremely well in combination with the new EHAM terminal buildings that Gijs is working on. Reason to add a few more screenshots to my FlightGear AI in development webpage: http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/web/75.html Enjoy! Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
On Sunday 27 July 2008 11:50, Durk Talsma wrote: I'm cross posting this message to both flightgear-devel and flightgear-users, because I know there are quite a few flightgear-users subscribers working on developing traffic plans. I will certainly take a few more weeks (maybe even a few months) before this will be production ready. However, if you are interested in the new format, feel free to drop you a note, and I'm happy to make a concept of the new format available. Many thanks go out to Gabor Toth, in this respect, for laying out the ground work for the new traffic format. Well, it looks like weeks or months was a bit too pessimistic. :-) Last week I finished a first draft of the new Traffic Manager code, which has been running succesfully for about a day without crashing. The code is not yet ready for CVS yet, though. The following issues need to be addressed: - The dynamic assignment of flights to aircraft needs to be optimized. - The I need to investigate the possibilities of backward compatibility - I'm considering going back to XML formatted files in favour of the current format - The code needs clean-up. http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/FlightGear-1.0.0-new-traffic-manager.tar.gz http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/new-traffic-data.zip However, for those people interested in creating traffic code, I decided to roll up a snapshot of the current traffic configuration file. Should I switch to xml, it should probably be a matter of writing a simple converter to get the data into xml format. For the adventurous, I've also posted a snapshot of the current code (source only). Feedback is appreciated. Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
Hi All, Here's just a quick heads up regarding some future plans. I've been planning to work on a revamped traffic manager for quite some time now. Yesterday, with a big thunderstorm rolling in, I figured I had a good excuse to stay indoors and get some coding done. So what is traffic manager II? Well the main difference is that it will become a lot easier for users to develop their own traffic. Instead of going through a complicated procedure of compiling a sequence of flights into an xml file, the new version just requires a plain text file that specifies which aircraft are available and which flights are required to be operated. Traffic manager than automatically assigns flights to aircraft. In essence, the strict one-to-one coupling of Aircraft and routes is no longer there, but determined dynamically. The biggest advantages of this approach are twofold: 1) Easier User configurability, and 2) increased flexibility. At this stage, I cannot tell wether traffic manager II is going to be backward compatible with the currently existing xml files. I hope to be able to do that. I'm cross posting this message to both flightgear-devel and flightgear-users, because I know there are quite a few flightgear-users subscribers working on developing traffic plans. I will certainly take a few more weeks (maybe even a few months) before this will be production ready. However, if you are interested in the new format, feel free to drop you a note, and I'm happy to make a concept of the new format available. Many thanks go out to Gabor Toth, in this respect, for laying out the ground work for the new traffic format. Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
--- Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am So, 27.7.2008: Von: Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II An: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Sonntag, 27. Juli 2008, 11:50 Hi All, Here's just a quick heads up regarding some future plans. I've been planning to work on a revamped traffic manager for quite some time now. Yesterday, with a big thunderstorm rolling in, I figured I had a good excuse to stay indoors and get some coding done. So what is traffic manager II? Well the main difference is that it will become a lot easier for users to develop their own traffic. Instead of going through a complicated procedure of compiling a sequence of flights into an xml file, the new version just requires a plain text file that specifies which aircraft are available and which flights are required to be operated. Traffic manager than automatically assigns flights to aircraft. In essence, the strict one-to-one coupling of Aircraft and routes is no longer there, but determined dynamically. The biggest advantages of this approach are twofold: 1) Easier User configurability, and 2) increased flexibility. At this stage, I cannot tell wether traffic manager II is going to be backward compatible with the currently existing xml files. I hope to be able to do that. I'm cross posting this message to both flightgear-devel and flightgear-users, because I know there are quite a few flightgear-users subscribers working on developing traffic plans. I will certainly take a few more weeks (maybe even a few months) before this will be production ready. However, if you are interested in the new format, feel free to drop you a note, and I'm happy to make a concept of the new format available. Many thanks go out to Gabor Toth, in this respect, for laying out the ground work for the new traffic format. Cheers, Durk Sounds good, but there is one question left for me cause I amybe did not understnad it right: Will it be still possible to create AI-Traffic after real timetables? Regards HHS __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail. Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang. http://de.overview.mail.yahoo.com - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II
Hi Heiko, On Sunday 27 July 2008 13:24, Heiko Schulz wrote: Sounds good, but there is one question left for me cause I amybe did not understnad it right: Will it be still possible to create AI-Traffic after real timetables? Yes absolutely. Even more so than before, probably because of the added flexiblity in setting up irregularly repeating schedules (i.e. flights that only occur on mondays and thursdays, and not on other week days). Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
