Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
Durk Talsma wrote: I was away cleaning up my house in Enschede and moving out my remaining personal belongings, so I'm a little late in responding, but nevertheless, Iwould like to second the many ohhs, and ahhs, that have already been uttered. I feel priviliged to be part of the next FSWeekend meeting. May I already reserve a seat. :-) I doubt it'll be ready for upcoming FSweekend as there's still a lot of stuff to work on. It's still not disassembled and we hope to move it off the airfield later this month. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
On 30 Jun 2011, at 23:31, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi all, Our goal is to be able to present it later in several options of completeness: - complete aircraft - just the fuselage, wing and elevator removed - just the cabin, no wing or elevator, fuselage cut behind the rear window - the cabin with wing, fuselage cut behind the rear window I was away cleaning up my house in Enschede and moving out my remaining personal belongings, so I'm a little late in responding, but nevertheless, Iwould like to second the many ohhs, and ahhs, that have already been uttered. I feel priviliged to be part of the next FSWeekend meeting. May I already reserve a seat. :-) Cheers, Durk -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
Have you considered using something like this: http://www.simkits.com/products.php?groupid=54 Hell, No! Isn't buying a complete plug'n play panel contrary to the spirit of an open-source project? Despite the fact that it it goes way beyond the limits of our budget, our own tool fgpanel is able to deliver convincing results for the gauges. At LinuxTag and FSWeekend, we were able to fool many visitors with our setup and some still did not believe what they saw untilt they actuallty touched the screen. Another issue is the radio stack (which is unfortunately missing mostly in our Cessna). I'm looking for a used, preferrably nonfunctional stack of King (kx155/165 etc.) radios, so I can use the original controls and replace the electronics by some microcontroller driven hardware. Torsten -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
Outstanding! -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: Hell, No! Isn't buying a complete plug'n play panel contrary to the spirit of an open-source project? Despite the fact that it it goes way beyond the limits of our budget, our own tool fgpanel is able to deliver convincing results for the gauges. At LinuxTag and FSWeekend, we were able to fool many visitors with our setup and some still did not believe what they saw untilt they actuallty touched the screen. I'll back up Torsten on this! There's a sim company (ATC Flight Sim) in California that I've done some work for over the years. They use FlightGear as their software core (and have achieved FAA certification for their sim by the way ... which means FlightGear is FAA certified or is FAA certifiable depending on how carefully the marketing guys want to word things ... other sims like X-Plane perhaps are a little sloppy with how they refer to their own sim with respect to FAA certification). ATC Flight Sim does exactly what Torsten does ... draw the instrument gauges in 2D on an LCD display and then put a flat panel over the top with holes cut out for the instruments to show through. ATC goes a step further and machines bezels to go around the perimeter of the openings and even has knobs right on the panel where they are supposed to be. We took their simulator to an AOPA convention one year and it was quite entertaining to listen to comments as people walked up. Guys would approach and quite confidently say ... Oh, they are using Company ABC's gauges. People would sit down, fly for 10 minutes, and afterwards not believe us when we told them the gauges were all drawn with computer graphics on an LCD screen. We had to let some people touch the screen before they'd believe us and even then I'm not sure. Lots of advantages to using an LCD screen: no calibration or adjustment, instant startup, no need to unwind the altimeter for 60 seconds to start the next session on the ground. No rats nest of wires behind the panel, no need for a boatload of little embedded cpu's to drive all the PWM out signals. Another issue is the radio stack (which is unfortunately missing mostly in our Cessna). I'm looking for a used, preferrably nonfunctional stack of King (kx155/165 etc.) radios, so I can use the original controls and replace the electronics by some microcontroller driven hardware. Yeah, that's a harder one. ATC actually designed their own stack with very realistic looking seven segment displays, knobs, and panels. They did all the backend hardware and computer interface too. Doing this on a second display with computer graphics would be an option, but the knobs would be in the wrong place and it just wouldn't be nearly as convincing or nice as dedicated hardware. (Please ignore how I start this message praising 2d graphics on an LCD screen and then finish the message praising dedicated hardware.) :-) Looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
ATC Flight Sim does exactly what Torsten does ... draw the instrument gauges in 2D on an LCD display and then put a flat panel over the top with holes cut out for the instruments to show through. ATC goes a step further and machines bezels to go around the perimeter of the openings and even has knobs right on the panel where they are supposed to be. I have them, too! http://wiki.flightgear.org/File:Pmpt-FrontDetail.jpg Yeah, that's a harder one. ATC actually designed their own stack with very realistic looking seven segment displays, knobs, and panels. They did all the backend hardware and computer interface too. And this, too: http://wiki.flightgear.org/Howto:_Build_your_own_procedure_trainer#Radio_Stack You knew that, did you? ;-) Torsten -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi all, The conversion into a static simulator will take place at my house some 60km south of the airfield, so we will start slicing the bird into smaller chunks for transportation on a truck. This will happen very soon and I fear, it will be the heart-breaking part of this story. I would recommend you do your disassembly very carefully as you'll be able to recoup your costs by selling off the parts you don't need! The wings tail should help pay for the whole thing by themselves. :) Congrats and great job guys! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT), Gene wrote in message alpine.lfd.2.00.1106301459220.4...@grumble.deltasoft.com: On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi all, The conversion into a static simulator will take place at my house some 60km south of the airfield, so we will start slicing the bird into smaller chunks for transportation on a truck. This will happen very soon and I fear, it will be the heart-breaking part of this story. I would recommend you do your disassembly very carefully as you'll be able to recoup your costs by selling off the parts you don't need! The wings tail should help pay for the whole thing by themselves. :) ..which diesel, the Thielert 135 hp conversion? It has been certified STC-style as normal GA, or as Experimental? We have this engine properly modeled in FG? Congrats and great job guys! g. ..here Gene makes very good sense. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
On Thursday, June 30, 2011 02:31:15 PM Torsten Dreyer wrote: The instruments will be replaced by TFT displays and certainly all controls will be functional, I'd even love to see the control surface move, have force- feedback and (dreaming...) Have you considered using something like this: http://www.simkits.com/products.php?groupid=54 These guys sell fairly compete 172 panels and the protocall/interface to these devices is documeted and available to anyone who asks. You need to specifically ask for the protocall/interface docs since the only docs on-line are about using their (Windows and MS Flight Sim) software. I got a copy of one of the protocall/instaerface docs (I think it was for the altimeter but I can't find it now) about two years ago and it should not be an issue to hook these into FlightGear even on a Linux box. The only drawback I see for these is that they are not cheap at about $400 to $600 per instrument if prebuilt but you can also get these in kit forum and get these for less than 1/2 the prebuilt price. Compared to a TFT panel they would be more realistic in your aircraft. Hal -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
On Thursday, June 30, 2011 05:25:52 PM Hal V. Engel wrote: On Thursday, June 30, 2011 02:31:15 PM Torsten Dreyer wrote: The instruments will be replaced by TFT displays and certainly all controls will be functional, I'd even love to see the control surface move, have force- feedback and (dreaming...) Have you considered using something like this: http://www.simkits.com/products.php?groupid=54 These guys sell fairly compete 172 panels and the protocall/interface to these devices is documeted and available to anyone who asks. You need to specifically ask for the protocall/interface docs since the only docs on-line are about using their (Windows and MS Flight Sim) software. I got a copy of one of the protocall/instaerface docs (I think it was for the altimeter but I can't find it now) about two years ago and it should not be an issue to hook these into FlightGear even on a Linux box. The only drawback I see for these is that they are not cheap at about $400 to $600 per instrument if prebuilt but you can also get these in kit forum and get these for less than 1/2 the prebuilt price. Compared to a TFT panel they would be more realistic in your aircraft. Hal Also there are these guys: http://www.flightillusion.com/ I don't know if they make the protocall/interface docs available or not. But might be worth a try. Hal -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] A new goodie for FlightGear presentations
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Hal V. Engel wrote: On Thursday, June 30, 2011 02:31:15 PM Torsten Dreyer wrote: The instruments will be replaced by TFT displays and certainly all controls will be functional, I'd even love to see the control surface move, have force- feedback and (dreaming...) Have you considered using something like this: http://www.simkits.com/products.php?groupid=54 These guys sell fairly compete 172 panels and the protocall/interface to Hal, for the money they'd be better off buying a copy of Mike Powell's Buiding Simulated Aircraft Instruments and building the Big Six from scratch. I've got the book and it's very, very well done. See http://www.mikesflightdeckbooks.com g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
