Re: [Flightgear-users] Segmentation Fault - Fedora Core 3 2.6.10
Doug Webb wrote: I ran the update program for Fedora Core 3 which updated the kernel, glibc and a few other things. Now FG will build but when I try to run it I get Segmentation Fault. I get the splash screen, a notice FG can't find the default runway then the Segmentation Fault. It doesn't get as far as making any sounds. I know that means a bad pointer somewhere but I expect this to be a compiler option problem and not a bug in the code. Am I correct in that? Any suggestions as to what I should do next? Did you run make clean first? Every now and then I get the same behavior while I'm almost certain nothing special has changed. Running make clean; make install for plib, SimGear and FlightGear very often solves that problem. Erik ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Arnt, is it possible to install GNU/Linux along side Windows2000? I have plenty of HD space so as long as i am able to install it alongside win2k i will do that, otherwise i cant afford to loose windows 2000 (have no idea to configure a linux machine onto the university network that im on, and compatibility with various software i need to use). Of course you can. There are a lot of distribution available, choose something easy for a first try. FedoraCore is an example, Debian, Slackware, Mandrake are there just for you to install one :-) First you have to provide free space for Linux. Use a Partition tool like PartitionMagic and shrink the partition used by Windows to ... let's say half the size of the entire harddisk. Then you install Linux in the free space; let him decide how to create the partitions need without erasing the one used by Windows2000. If you are comfortable with the innards of a PC, and you have a little spare cash (or a friend with a spares box) consider getting a second hard disk to put Linux on, and switching between them (set the both to master and change the data cable from one to the other - with the power off of course). Whilst this is a pain to do, it does guarantee that you cannot damage your Windows installation during the time you play with Linux. Whilst most recent Linux distribution installers do a good job, it is still possible to wipe the entire hard disk if you choose the wrong option. Richard This e-mail has been scanned for Bede Scientific Instruments for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Aah Arnt my old mate(Australian for friend)it is always good to read your suggestions and advice. Arnt Karlsen writes ..you give up too early, just like the Yankees, look to Ukraina, took'em a just month in the winter to get the Right President into Office. ;o) If I gave up easely I would not still be here 18 months later. If you are not Linux/Unix proficient and have a good grasp of command line operation you will end up dying of frustration. I have had Mandrake 10 up and operating for nearly a year now but not FG.I only realy started trying to to install FG about two weeks ago but have not managed to even get the 3D graphics to operate. ..ah. _Which_ graphics card? I have a Nvidia FX5200 card in a Athalon 2gig box. So if you do decide to go down the Linux path dont say you wern't warned. ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Hi Paul Paul Surgeon writes The best advice I have is that someone sits down with you and shows you how to do it. What would work well is a VNC or screen session plus IRC. I've helped people like this in the past - you log into their box and show them how to do it. This once again sounds simple.What is a VNC and were would I buy one if I could use it.:-) This is the whole problem what you are talking about is simple to you but to me you might as well be speaking a foreign language. However just an IRC session could do it because you can just tell us the error and we can tell you what to type to fix it. Well I did try the FG irc channel once but the reception I got was less than friendly. Why.Because I was not aware of the protocol and so was shunded so to speak. The problem with offline step-by-step solutions is that it only takes one little problem to mess everything up like a header file being in the wrong place or a binary not being in a path. Amen to that.Like with the 3D graphics problem I am having.In one forum they said you have to check that the line load glx is uncommented in the XF86Config-4 file.Great edit the file using VI, which has to be the easiest text editor ever invented, reboot Mandrake only to find Mandrake has commented the line out again.Now I have not found anywhere yet that tells me how to overcome this problem. So Innis you're quite right about saying it's not easy. I battled for many months figuring out how Linux works and that's coming from a programming background! If you're coming from a point and click background then I can only imagine how frustrating it can be. However once you get the hang of it, it's dead easy. Unfortunately at my stage of life I am worried that death may intervene before hand.:-) I was on a site today for problems installing the Nvidia drives.They had one sticky that had nearly 600 replies and that was one of about a dozen to read. While RTFM might be a cute responce one could ask WFM. The IRC channel is there for this type of help - come join us sometime and we'll get you sorted out. :) Thanks for the offer Paul.But David Culp gave me a detailed howto which I have not yet worked through I will get back as I go. Just incase some people think I hate Linux.I had to install a new mouse on my dual boot box.Under Windows 98 I had a couple of crashes before Windows was happy but Mandrake booted quite happily without any need to install drivers.So chalk one up for Linux.:-) Paul Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
I am running or trying to run v0.9.8 fg, I have also downloaded SLAX linux Live 4.2.0 (180MB= 12 hrs) and am trying to config my mouse(not sure what com port or how to load mouse driver) linux boots but i have no mouse and am only able to TAB, ALT etc to navagate, it does support my audio and video however. anyone know how to add WINE to the mix??? I suppose I will need to add the modules to modules directory and rewrite the boot loader to call them and the mouse? Help please --- Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My board is a SOYO K7VEMPRO V1.0 with VIA KLE133/686B chipset. Ac97 codec audio. With AMD athelon xp2400+ cpu 256 meg ram. I have a 40GB HDD with about 25 gigs of free space and a 20GB second drive with 10 gigs free. I don't want to kill my system but could either do a dual boot or boot from floppy or CD if that would work. I guess what I am asking is any of my hardware Linux compatible? I also have a CH Flightstick PRO joystick. Which version of FlightGear are you trying to run? Those warnings re clouds were removed some time ago, if I recall correctly. The warning re sound indicates a problem with the sound card driver, as you are already aware. Realtec AC97 is known to have problems in this area. Have you installed OpenAL? So far as I know FGFS runs under Windows 98, but why not upgrade to XP or at least 98SE- your system looks to be very capable. Regards, Vivian __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Paul Paul Surgeon writes The best advice I have is that someone sits down with you and shows you how to do it. What would work well is a VNC or screen session plus IRC. I've helped people like this in the past - you log into their box and show them how to do it. This once again sounds simple.What is a VNC and were would I buy one if I could use it.:-) This is the whole problem what you are talking about is simple to you but to me you might as well be speaking a foreign language. However just an IRC session could do it because you can just tell us the error and we can tell you what to type to fix it. Well I did try the FG irc channel once but the reception I got was less than friendly. Why.Because I was not aware of the protocol and so was shunded so to speak. The problem with offline step-by-step solutions is that it only takes one little problem to mess everything up like a header file being in the wrong place or a binary not being in a path. Amen to that.Like with the 3D graphics problem I am having.In one forum they said you have to check that the line load glx is uncommented in the XF86Config-4 file.Great edit the file using VI, which has to be the easiest text editor ever invented, reboot Mandrake only to find Mandrake has commented the line out again.Now I have not found anywhere yet that tells me how to overcome this problem. So Innis you're quite right about saying it's not easy. I battled for many months figuring out how Linux works and that's coming from a programming background! If you're coming from a point and click background then I can only imagine how frustrating it can be. However once you get the hang of it, it's dead easy. Unfortunately at my stage of life I am worried that death may intervene before hand.:-) I was on a site today for problems installing the Nvidia drives.They had one sticky that had nearly 600 replies and that was one of about a dozen to read. While RTFM might be a cute responce one could ask WFM. The IRC channel is there for this type of help - come join us sometime and we'll get you sorted out. :) Thanks for the offer Paul.But David Culp gave me a detailed howto which I have not yet worked through I will get back as I go. Just incase some people think I hate Linux.I had to install a new mouse on my dual boot box.Under Windows 98 I had a couple of crashes before Windows was happy but Mandrake booted quite happily without any need to install drivers.So chalk one up for Linux.:-) Paul Cheers Innis If you like, I can send you the config file for the NVIDIA FX5200 I'm using on Mandrake. There are also other editors besides vi, there is gedit and many more available on any distro. I can sympathize with the comments on vi, I've been using it for over 20 years and I only use as much as I have to, no fancy stuff at all, insert, delete, save, replace, etc. It's been said quite correctly that the one thing that retarded Unix was the availability of a decent text editor, but that's not now the case, though I've still not seen any with the flexibility and intuitiveness of IBM's MVS/SPF dating back nearly 30 years - my conclusion is that Unix developers regard editors and databases as something common folk should not be messing with - cooledit being the exception. The NVIDIA driver installation should be simplicity itself, but as frequently noticed, people don't read and understand too well, typically they read and translate rather than understand. You have to approach this stuff from the angle of I don't know Jack about this stuff because you don't, proceed to learn it, it's amazing the progress then made. 1. in a VC, init 3 to close down X. 2. ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run ### If installation fails and you change the XF86Config, Mandrake will reset it to nv when X is started. /var/log/nvidia-installer.log tells you how the install went. 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. 4. init 5 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:58:49 +0800, Innis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aah Arnt my old mate(Australian for friend)it is always good to read your suggestions and advice. Arnt Karlsen writes ..you give up too early, just like the Yankees, look to Ukraina, took'em a just month in the winter to get the Right President into Office. ;o) If I gave up easely I would not still be here 18 months later. .. If you are not Linux/Unix proficient and have a good grasp of command line operation you will end up dying of frustration. I have had Mandrake 10 up and operating for nearly a year now but not FG.I only realy started trying to to install FG about two weeks ago but have not managed to even get the 3D graphics to operate. ..ah. _Which_ graphics card? I have a Nvidia FX5200 card in a Athalon 2gig box. ..chk /etc/X11/X???Config-4 driver section, no nv, you want nvidea, and allways Nvideas latest version, people here brag about their Linux support, they make the best closed source video drivers I'm aware of. So if you do decide to go down the Linux path dont say you wern't warned. ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. ..??? You have tried Debian? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:38:08 +, Sid wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config ..ditto for /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, /etc/X11/XorgConfig-4 etc. Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] XML Tree
Title: Message Is there a way to map out what files a top-level XXX-set.xml file calls and includes. With references to instruments from different aircraft all over the place, and some aircraft getting dropped from successive releases, my aircraft fails to load properly every time I install a version of FG. Iam working onpulling all the files that my particular aircraft uses into one directory, but some tree-generator program would be helpful. It would also help to identify files in my local directory that AREn'T being used, so that I don't waste a lot of time modifying files that aren't even used. Is there any effort towards standardizing instruments, etc., or the subdirectories? Thx, Bill ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] XML Tree
Title: Message I tried this some time ago, but couldn't come up with an exhaustive list of tags that would contain file references, which made life difficult. That said, I was just reading straight off the text source - parsing the xml into a tree might help. Giles Robertson -Original Message-From: Bill Galbraith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 February 2005 22:12To: flightgear-users@flightgear.orgSubject: [Flightgear-users] XML Tree Is there a way to map out what files a top-level XXX-set.xml file calls and includes. With references to instruments from different aircraft all over the place, and some aircraft getting dropped from successive releases, my aircraft fails to load properly every time I install a version of FG. Iam working onpulling all the files that my particular aircraft uses into one directory, but some tree-generator program would be helpful. It would also help to identify files in my local directory that AREn'T being used, so that I don't waste a lot of time modifying files that aren't even used. Is there any effort towards standardizing instruments, etc., or the subdirectories? Thx, Bill ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. While this is true, I would recommend using a non-commerial Distro like Debian, Ubuntu or even gentoo. They might be harder to setup the first time, they are often easier to keep running (no need to sell a new release). Yours, Bjrn -- Bjrn Michaelsen pub 1024D/C9E5A256 2003-01-21 Bjrn Michaelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = D649 8C78 1CB1 23CF 5CCF CA1A C1B5 BBEC C9E5 A256 pgpnfiEBk2zqe.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] XML Tree
Bill Galbraith wrote: I am working on pulling all the files that my particular aircraft uses into one directory, but some tree-generator program would be helpful. It would also help to identify files in my local directory that AREn'T being used, so that I don't waste a lot of time modifying files that aren't even used. Try this. I banged it out pretty quickly, but it appears to work for me. It looks for an include=... attribute in a property node, (which is the official property system way to include other files) as well as any node which appears to contain data that looks like an XML file path. It requires the perl XML::Parser package to be installed, which is not part of core perl. It is installed by default on my Fedora Core 2 laptop, as well as the default ActivePerl installation on the windows machine next to me. Not sure if cygwin includes it or not. It should be relatively common. Note that it isn't smart enough to try to intuit the FG_ROOT path from the input file location. You need to set this variable correctly before running the script. Otherwise it should be relatively self-explanatory. Andy fgxmldep.pl Description: Perl program ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
On Thursday 10 February 2005 07:46 am, Kristin wrote: I am running or trying to run v0.9.8 fg, I have also downloaded SLAX linux Live 4.2.0 (180MB= 12 hrs) and am trying to config my mouse(not sure what com port or how to load mouse driver) linux boots but i have no mouse and am only able to TAB, ALT etc to navagate, it does support my audio and video however. anyone know how to add WINE to the mix??? I suppose I will need to add the modules to modules directory and rewrite the boot loader to call them and the mouse? Help please First check that you have /dev/mouse, e.g. ~$ ls -l /dev/mouse lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2005-02-10 12:21 /dev/mouse - misc/psaux Your computer seems fairly new (not ancient) so it probably has PS/2 connectors for the keyboard and mouse. If you're using corded keyboard/mouse then everything should be straight forward. You may need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config But first try running either xf86cfg (gui) or xf86config (text) to configure the mouse. You may have to navigate using the numeric keypad since your mouse isn't working. Specify your mouse from the list of available mice and click on apply. If all works, then save (maybe you should first make a backup of /etc/X11/XF86Config first). If you can't get things working you may have to manually edit XF86Config which is what I did to get my wheel mouse working. I added to the Section ServerLayout the following InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer I also added for my wheel mouse: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Device /dev/mouse Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Buttons 3 #Option BaudRate 1200 #This is probably not needed! #Option Resolution 100#And neither is this! EndSection I run sorcerer and FlightGear on a similar system: ASUS A7V600-X motherboard with onboard AC97 audio AMD 2800+ 512meg 120G SATA HD NVIDIA FX5200 Turtle Beach sound card. I have no experience with SLAX livecd. However I've tried RedHat, DSL, Knoppix livecd, LNX-BBC, gentoo and sorcerer. I used to have a Windows/Linux dual boot system but found that Linux was less aggravating. The livecds are an easy way to get to know linux, but unless you install to disk they consume a lot of memory. Once you are familiar with linux you may want to give the source-based distros (gentoo, sorcerer, ..) a try, since you have a sufficiently fast system and sufficient available HD. I use sorcerer (mostly by chance) but have also investigated gentoo. If you've ever tried to update a RedHat or Debian-based system using rpmupdate or aptget and were faced with downloading 100's of megs of dependencies you'll appreciate sorcerer's sdelta feature which just downloads small patches to the source code. Sorcerer features a menu-driven installation while gentoo's installation is more manual, but the documentation (which can be read in an alternate login window (Alt-F?) is excellent. Gentoo can also be installed ready-to-go from the cd without any compilation. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Sid Boyce writes If you like, I can send you the config file for the NVIDIA FX5200 I'm using on Mandrake. Thanks Sid I will see how I go once I have had a go at installing the drivers 1. in a VC, init 3 to close down X. 2. ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run ### If installation fails and you change the XF86Config, Mandrake will reset it to nv when X is started. /var/log/nvidia-installer.log tells you how the install went. 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. 4. init 5 Regards Sid. Ok Thanks for this I will get back with the results. Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
