Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. While this is true, I would recommend using a non-commerial Distro like Debian, Ubuntu or even gentoo. They might be harder to setup the first time, they are often easier to keep running (no need to sell a new release). Yours, Björn I found gentoo is about the most hands-off distro to install there is, by the end of the install I thought back to how much I learned. Apart from emerge which is a gentoo only tool, I couldn't think of single thing and months on I can safely say the same, you don't need to get under the hood. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Arnt, is it possible to install GNU/Linux along side Windows2000? I have plenty of HD space so as long as i am able to install it alongside win2k i will do that, otherwise i cant afford to loose windows 2000 (have no idea to configure a linux machine onto the university network that im on, and compatibility with various software i need to use). Of course you can. There are a lot of distribution available, choose something easy for a first try. FedoraCore is an example, Debian, Slackware, Mandrake are there just for you to install one :-) First you have to provide free space for Linux. Use a Partition tool like PartitionMagic and shrink the partition used by Windows to ... let's say half the size of the entire harddisk. Then you install Linux in the free space; let him decide how to create the partitions need without erasing the one used by Windows2000. If you are comfortable with the innards of a PC, and you have a little spare cash (or a friend with a spares box) consider getting a second hard disk to put Linux on, and switching between them (set the both to master and change the data cable from one to the other - with the power off of course). Whilst this is a pain to do, it does guarantee that you cannot damage your Windows installation during the time you play with Linux. Whilst most recent Linux distribution installers do a good job, it is still possible to wipe the entire hard disk if you choose the wrong option. Richard This e-mail has been scanned for Bede Scientific Instruments for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Aah Arnt my old mate(Australian for friend)it is always good to read your suggestions and advice. Arnt Karlsen writes ..you give up too early, just like the Yankees, look to Ukraina, took'em a just month in the winter to get the Right President into Office. ;o) If I gave up easely I would not still be here 18 months later. If you are not Linux/Unix proficient and have a good grasp of command line operation you will end up dying of frustration. I have had Mandrake 10 up and operating for nearly a year now but not FG.I only realy started trying to to install FG about two weeks ago but have not managed to even get the 3D graphics to operate. ..ah. _Which_ graphics card? I have a Nvidia FX5200 card in a Athalon 2gig box. So if you do decide to go down the Linux path dont say you wern't warned. ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Hi Paul Paul Surgeon writes The best advice I have is that someone sits down with you and shows you how to do it. What would work well is a VNC or screen session plus IRC. I've helped people like this in the past - you log into their box and show them how to do it. This once again sounds simple.What is a VNC and were would I buy one if I could use it.:-) This is the whole problem what you are talking about is simple to you but to me you might as well be speaking a foreign language. However just an IRC session could do it because you can just tell us the error and we can tell you what to type to fix it. Well I did try the FG irc channel once but the reception I got was less than friendly. Why.Because I was not aware of the protocol and so was shunded so to speak. The problem with offline step-by-step solutions is that it only takes one little problem to mess everything up like a header file being in the wrong place or a binary not being in a path. Amen to that.Like with the 3D graphics problem I am having.In one forum they said you have to check that the line load glx is uncommented in the XF86Config-4 file.Great edit the file using VI, which has to be the easiest text editor ever invented, reboot Mandrake only to find Mandrake has commented the line out again.Now I have not found anywhere yet that tells me how to overcome this problem. So Innis you're quite right about saying it's not easy. I battled for many months figuring out how Linux works and that's coming from a programming background! If you're coming from a point and click background then I can only imagine how frustrating it can be. However once you get the hang of it, it's dead easy. Unfortunately at my stage of life I am worried that death may intervene before hand.:-) I was on a site today for problems installing the Nvidia drives.They had one sticky that had nearly 600 replies and that was one of about a dozen to read. While RTFM might be a cute responce one could ask WFM. The IRC channel is there for this type of help - come join us sometime and we'll get you sorted out. :) Thanks for the offer Paul.But David Culp gave me a detailed howto which I have not yet worked through I will get back as I go. Just incase some people think I hate Linux.I had to install a new mouse on my dual boot box.Under Windows 98 I had a couple of crashes before Windows was happy but Mandrake booted quite happily without any need to install drivers.So chalk one up for Linux.:-) Paul Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Paul Paul Surgeon writes The best advice I have is that someone sits down with you and shows you how to do it. What would work well is a VNC or screen session plus IRC. I've helped people like this in the past - you log into their box and show them how to do it. This once again sounds simple.What is a VNC and were would I buy one if I could use it.:-) This is the whole problem what you are talking about is simple to you but to me you might as well be speaking a foreign language. However just an IRC session could do it because you can just tell us the error and we can tell you what to type to fix it. Well I did try the FG irc channel once but the reception I got was less than friendly. Why.Because I was not aware of the protocol and so was shunded so to speak. The problem with offline step-by-step solutions is that it only takes one little problem to mess everything up like a header file being in the wrong place or a binary not being in a path. Amen to that.Like with the 3D graphics problem I am having.In one forum they said you have to check that the line load glx is uncommented in the XF86Config-4 file.Great edit the file using VI, which has to be the easiest text editor ever invented, reboot Mandrake only to find Mandrake has commented the line out again.Now I have not found anywhere yet that tells me how to overcome this problem. So Innis you're quite right about saying it's not easy. I battled for many months figuring out how Linux works and that's coming from a programming background! If you're coming from a point and click background then I can only imagine how frustrating it can be. However once you get the hang of it, it's dead easy. Unfortunately at my stage of life I am worried that death may intervene before hand.:-) I was on a site today for problems installing the Nvidia drives.They had one sticky that had nearly 600 replies and that was one of about a dozen to read. While RTFM might be a cute responce one could ask WFM. The IRC channel is there for this type of help - come join us sometime and we'll get you sorted out. :) Thanks for the offer Paul.But David Culp gave me a detailed howto which I have not yet worked through I will get back as I go. Just incase some people think I hate Linux.I had to install a new mouse on my dual boot box.Under Windows 98 I had a couple of crashes before Windows was happy but Mandrake booted quite happily without any need to install drivers.So chalk one up for Linux.:-) Paul Cheers Innis If you like, I can send you the config file for the NVIDIA FX5200 I'm using on Mandrake. There are also other editors besides vi, there is gedit and many more available on any distro. I can sympathize with the comments on vi, I've been using it for over 20 years and I only use as much as I have to, no fancy stuff at all, insert, delete, save, replace, etc. It's been said quite correctly that the one thing that retarded Unix was the availability of a decent text editor, but that's not now the case, though I've still not seen any with the flexibility and intuitiveness of IBM's MVS/SPF dating back nearly 30 years - my conclusion is that Unix developers regard editors and databases as something common folk should not be messing with - cooledit being the exception. The NVIDIA driver installation should be simplicity itself, but as frequently noticed, people don't read and understand too well, typically they read and translate rather than understand. You have to approach this stuff from the angle of I don't know Jack about this stuff because you don't, proceed to learn it, it's amazing the progress then made. 1. in a VC, init 3 to close down X. 2. ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run ### If installation fails and you change the XF86Config, Mandrake will reset it to nv when X is started. /var/log/nvidia-installer.log tells you how the install went. 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. 4. init 5 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play= ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:58:49 +0800, Innis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aah Arnt my old mate(Australian for friend)it is always good to read your suggestions and advice. Arnt Karlsen writes ..you give up too early, just like the Yankees, look to Ukraina, took'em a just month in the winter to get the Right President into Office. ;o) If I gave up easely I would not still be here 18 months later. .. If you are not Linux/Unix proficient and have a good grasp of command line operation you will end up dying of frustration. I have had Mandrake 10 up and operating for nearly a year now but not FG.I only realy started trying to to install FG about two weeks ago but have not managed to even get the 3D graphics to operate. ..ah. _Which_ graphics card? I have a Nvidia FX5200 card in a Athalon 2gig box. ..chk /etc/X11/X???Config-4 driver section, no nv, you want nvidea, and allways Nvideas latest version, people here brag about their Linux support, they make the best closed source video drivers I'm aware of. So if you do decide to go down the Linux path dont say you wern't warned. ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. ..??? You have tried Debian? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:38:08 +, Sid wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config ..ditto for /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, /etc/X11/XorgConfig-4 etc. Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. While this is true, I would recommend using a non-commerial Distro like Debian, Ubuntu or even gentoo. They might be harder to setup the first time, they are often easier to keep running (no need to sell a new release). Yours, Bjrn -- Bjrn Michaelsen pub 1024D/C9E5A256 2003-01-21 Bjrn Michaelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = D649 8C78 1CB1 23CF 5CCF CA1A C1B5 BBEC C9E5 A256 pgpnfiEBk2zqe.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Sid Boyce writes If you like, I can send you the config file for the NVIDIA FX5200 I'm using on Mandrake. Thanks Sid I will see how I go once I have had a go at installing the drivers 1. in a VC, init 3 to close down X. 2. ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run ### If installation fails and you change the XF86Config, Mandrake will reset it to nv when X is started. /var/log/nvidia-installer.log tells you how the install went. 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. 4. init 5 Regards Sid. Ok Thanks for this I will get back with the results. Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Arnt, is it possible to install GNU/Linux along side Windows2000? I have plenty of HD space so as long as i am able to install it alongside win2k i will do that, otherwise i cant afford to loose windows 2000 (have no idea to configure a linux machine onto the university network that im on, and compatibility with various software i need to use). Of course you can. There are a lot of distribution available, choose something easy for a first try. FedoraCore is an example, Debian, Slackware, Mandrake are there just for you to install one :-) First you have to provide free space for Linux. Use a Partition tool like PartitionMagic and shrink the partition used by Windows to ... let's say half the size of the entire harddisk. Then you install Linux in the free space; let him decide how to create the partitions need without erasing the one used by Windows2000. Then you have to take care of the boot loader in order to let Win2k and Linux to cohexist. You can use a Linux bootloader (Lilo, Grub or anything else provided with the Linux distribution you are going to install) or use the bootloader provided with Windows2000 (which I really don't know how to configure). This are only a few hints for a fresh Linux installation, there's much more to take care but nowadays installers are pure-magic :-) They follow you in almost every step of the installation with hints and very easy wizards. have a nice day, Roberto ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
Robicd writes Arnt, is it possible to install GNU/Linux along side Windows2000? I have plenty of HD space so as long as i am able to install it alongside win2k i will do that, otherwise i cant afford to loose windows 2000 (have no idea to configure a linux machine onto the university network that im on, and compatibility with various software i need to use). Of course you can. There are a lot of distribution available, choose something easy for a first try. FedoraCore is an example, Debian, Slackware, Mandrake are there just for you to install one :-) First you have to provide free space for Linux. Use a Partition tool like PartitionMagic and shrink the partition used by Windows to ... let's say half the size of the entire harddisk. Then you install Linux in the free space; let him decide how to create the partitions need without erasing the one used by Windows2000. Then you have to take care of the boot loader in order to let Win2k and Linux to cohexist. You can use a Linux bootloader (Lilo, Grub or anything else provided with the Linux distribution you are going to install) or use the bootloader provided with Windows2000 (which I really don't know how to configure). This are only a few hints for a fresh Linux installation, there's much more to take care but nowadays installers are pure-magic :-) They follow you in almost every step of the installation with hints and very easy wizards. This makes it all sound so easy IT IS NOT.You will get Linux on your box very easely.But getting FG up and running is not. If you are not Linux/Unix proficient and have a good grasp of command line operation you will end up dying of frustration. I have had Mandrake 10 up and operating for nearly a year now but not FG.I only realy started trying to to install FG about two weeks ago but have not managed to even get the 3D graphics to operate. So if you do decide to go down the Linux path dont say you wern't warned. Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
On Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:51, Innis Cunningham wrote: This makes it all sound so easy IT IS NOT.You will get Linux on your box very easely.But getting FG up and running is not. If you are not Linux/Unix proficient and have a good grasp of command line operation you will end up dying of frustration. I have had Mandrake 10 up and operating for nearly a year now but not FG.I only realy started trying to to install FG about two weeks ago but have not managed to even get the 3D graphics to operate. The best advice I have is that someone sits down with you and shows you how to do it. What would work well is a VNC or screen session plus IRC. I've helped people like this in the past - you log into their box and show them how to do it. However just an IRC session could do it because you can just tell us the error and we can tell you what to type to fix it. The problem with offline step-by-step solutions is that it only takes one little problem to mess everything up like a header file being in the wrong place or a binary not being in a path. So Innis you're quite right about saying it's not easy. I battled for many months figuring out how Linux works and that's coming from a programming background! If you're coming from a point and click background then I can only imagine how frustrating it can be. However once you get the hang of it, it's dead easy. The IRC channel is there for this type of help - come join us sometime and we'll get you sorted out. :) Paul ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
