Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-11 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:02:02 +0200
Paul Surgeon wrote:

 Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses what OS 
 for FG?
 It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are the 
 most 
 popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.

Mandrake Linux 10.0 at home. At work, it's been tested on Windows 2000,
but might be used on a Mandrake Linux as well.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-11 Thread Alfonso J . Lebron-Berges
OSX 10.3.6 here.
Al


On Dec 10, 2004, at 12:16 AM, Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote:
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:02:02 +0200
Paul Surgeon wrote:
Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses 
what OS
for FG?
It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are 
the most
popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.
Mandrake Linux 10.0 at home. At work, it's been tested on Windows 2000,
but might be used on a Mandrake Linux as well.
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
What lists is this happening on.  I did send a note to this user a month 
or so ago, and thought the issue was resolved.  Have these replies 
started up again, or is it only certain lists where it is happening?  I 
think I accidentally clicked on the link in one of his replies and 
registered myself so I no longer see these from my own mail.  I almost 
wish I hadn't because I can't exactly take it back now.
I think it it plain stupid from the domain owner of safe-mail.net. This 
type of behavior is unacceptable from a mailing-list point of view. I 
would suggest anybody who still receives the mail to sent a complaint to:

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and explain tat you didn't sign up for this unsolicited mail and want it 
to stop.

Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Erik Hofman wrote:
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
What lists is this happening on.  I did send a note to this user a 
month or so ago, and thought the issue was resolved.  Have these 
replies started up again, or is it only certain lists where it is 
happening?  I think I accidentally clicked on the link in one of his 
replies and registered myself so I no longer see these from my own 
mail.  I almost wish I hadn't because I can't exactly take it back now.

I think it it plain stupid from the domain owner of safe-mail.net. This 
type of behavior is unacceptable from a mailing-list point of view. I 
would suggest anybody who still receives the mail to sent a complaint to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and explain tat you didn't sign up for this unsolicited mail and want it 
to stop.
Alternatively adding:
denysenders = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
message = Your spam filter is braindead
To your acl if you run exim will solve the problem.
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-10 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 10 December 2004 09:00, Erik Hofman wrote:
 Chris Metzler wrote:
  He/she may have, but have whitelisted the wrong thing.  IOW,
  he/she may have whitelisted flightgear-users in the From:
  header rather than in List-Id: or Reply-To:.  The
  frustrating thing to me is that, having subscribed, this
  person can't be paying too much attention to the list, or
  they'd have noticed these discussions.  So obviously they're
  not following this list too closely.

 This person has asked a question once and stated he is of
 older age, so maybe he isn't even sure how to stop this stuff
 from happening. I think the problem is his provider and not
 himself.

 Erik

I think you're probably right - the name 'safe-mail' is 
suggestive in itself.

The implication of these messages is that anything that's posted 
to the user list, by someone who gets one of these 
auto-responses, isn't getting delivered to the user.  The user 
will only be seeing stuff posted by people who have registered 
themselves, or who have been registered by some other mechanism.

While I agree that it's the provider here that's really causing 
the problem, and not the user, I think we can assume that the 
safe-mail.net admins have intentionally set up this 
auto-responder this way and as far as they're concerned it's 
working just fine - it's free advertising after all - so I doubt 
that individuals telling them that they're being a mite 
inconsiderate will have much effect.

Perhaps an 'official' complaint from the FG org might be listened 
to, or alternatively we could try to help this user sort it out 
if he isn't able to do it himself.

LeeE

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On December 9, 2004 08:13 pm, Jon Stockill wrote:
 Lee Elliott wrote:
  Debian unstable on all my systems.

 Slackware 10.0 here (as you'd probably guessed by the slackware packages
 I keep producing).

Debian unstable here.

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RE: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-10 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman wrote:

 Chris Metzler wrote:
 
  He/she may have, but have whitelisted the wrong thing.  IOW, he/she may
  have whitelisted flightgear-users in the From: header rather than in
  List-Id: or Reply-To:.  The frustrating thing to me is that, having
  subscribed, this person can't be paying too much attention to the list,
  or they'd have noticed these discussions.  So obviously they're not
  following this list too closely.
 
 This person has asked a question once and stated he is of older age, so
 maybe he isn't even sure how to stop this stuff from happening. I think
 the problem is his provider and not himself.
 

I'm not getting that stuff. I think I must have replied at some time in the
past. So that would seem to be a solution.

Regards,

Vivian



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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Wednesday 08 December 2004 21:02, Paul Surgeon wrote:
 Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses what
 OS for FG?
 It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are the
 most popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.

I use Suse Linux 9.1.
I used Cygwin earlier.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Erik Hofman
Paul Surgeon wrote:
Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses what OS 
for FG?
It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are the most 
popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.
IRIX for development and occasionally for flying.
(Xandros) Linux for occasional development and for flying.
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Charalampos Alexopoulos
Paul Surgeon wrote:
Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses what OS 
for FG?
It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are the most 
popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.
 

I am using Suse 9.1
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 08 December 2004 20:02, Paul Surgeon wrote:
[snip...]
 Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out
 who uses what OS for FG?
 It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what
 OS's are the most popular for FG especially amongst the
 developer community.

 Paul

Debian unstable on all my systems.

LeeE

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 09 December 2004 18:58, Lee Elliott wrote:
 On Wednesday 08 December 2004 20:02, Paul Surgeon wrote:
 [snip...]

  Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out
  who uses what OS for FG?
  It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what
  OS's are the most popular for FG especially amongst the
  developer community.
 
  Paul

 Debian unstable on all my systems.

 LeeE

BTW, is everyone who posts to this list still getting spammed by 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am and it's a real pita.

Any chance of removing this 'user' until they start behaving in a 
more considerate manner?

LeeE

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Erik Hofman
Lee Elliott wrote:
BTW, is everyone who posts to this list still getting spammed by 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am and it's a real pita.
I don't see that anymore?
Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Dave Martin
Fedora Core 2 here but with a vanilla 2.6.9 kernel which has actually boosted 
performance by a fair chunk.


On Wednesday 08 Dec 2004 20:02, Paul Surgeon wrote:
 On Wednesday, 8 December 2004 21:10, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote:
  On Wednesday 08 December 2004 19:27, Paul Surgeon wrote:
   Sounds like a no-go to me unless you own a Micro$oft box.
   DirectX 9b and the .NET Runtime environment are required which probably
   excludes a large portion of the FlightGear community.
 
  You are right. But there are intentions to port this open source project
  to Linux and Mac. If I understood correctly the Mac port had a slightly
  higher priority.

 Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses what
 OS for FG?
 It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are the
 most popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.

 Paul

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Thursday 09 December 2004 20:19, Lee Elliott wrote:
 BTW, is everyone who posts to this list still getting spammed by
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I am and it's a real pita.

Yes, me too!

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Chris Metzler
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:19:21 +
Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 BTW, is everyone who posts to this list still getting spammed by 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I am and it's a real pita.

Yes, I'm getting them, and yes, it's annoying.  I keep meaning to just
blacklist the sender.  But it's absurd that someone would so carelessly
set up a challenge-response system (c-r systems awful in general anyway,
but that's a different conversation).

-c

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Chris Metzler wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:19:21 +
Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

BTW, is everyone who posts to this list still getting spammed by 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am and it's a real pita.
   

Yes, I'm getting them, and yes, it's annoying.  I keep meaning to just
blacklist the sender.  But it's absurd that someone would so carelessly
set up a challenge-response system (c-r systems awful in general anyway,
but that's a different conversation).
 

What lists is this happening on.  I did send a note to this user a month 
or so ago, and thought the issue was resolved.  Have these replies 
started up again, or is it only certain lists where it is happening?  I 
think I accidentally clicked on the link in one of his replies and 
registered myself so I no longer see these from my own mail.  I almost 
wish I hadn't because I can't exactly take it back now.

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Jon Stockill
Lee Elliott wrote:
Debian unstable on all my systems.
Slackware 10.0 here (as you'd probably guessed by the slackware packages 
I keep producing).

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-09 Thread Jon Stockill
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
What lists is this happening on.  I did send a note to this user a month 
or so ago, and thought the issue was resolved.  Have these replies 
started up again, or is it only certain lists where it is happening?  I 
think I accidentally clicked on the link in one of his replies and 
registered myself so I no longer see these from my own mail.  I almost 
wish I hadn't because I can't exactly take it back now.
Still getting it here:
Your message Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind was not transfered to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Safe-mail users can block messages from unkown 
email addresses.
Please click on the following link to have your address added to the 
recipient's Allowed List and ensure delivery of your email:

Anyone with common sense would've whitelisted any lists they subscribe to.
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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-08 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Thursday 14 October 2004 08:19, Chris Ridley wrote:
 Found a very interesting program at http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/worldwind

I've been playing around with World Wind, and I think that it would be 
possible to use it as a moving map display for FlightGear (just like Atlas). 
I tried to averlay a few NDB symbols onto the globe, and it worked great. I 
guess I should make some kind of script to parse the files in navaid and 
convert to World Wind's xml format.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-08 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Wednesday, 8 December 2004 19:03, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote:
 On Thursday 14 October 2004 08:19, Chris Ridley wrote:
  Found a very interesting program at http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/worldwind

 I've been playing around with World Wind, and I think that it would be
 possible to use it as a moving map display for FlightGear (just like
 Atlas). I tried to averlay a few NDB symbols onto the globe, and it worked
 great. I guess I should make some kind of script to parse the files in
 navaid and convert to World Wind's xml format.

Sounds like a no-go to me unless you own a Micro$oft box.
DirectX 9b and the .NET Runtime environment are required which probably 
excludes a large portion of the FlightGear community.

Paul

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-08 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Wednesday, 8 December 2004 21:10, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote:
 On Wednesday 08 December 2004 19:27, Paul Surgeon wrote:
  Sounds like a no-go to me unless you own a Micro$oft box.
  DirectX 9b and the .NET Runtime environment are required which probably
  excludes a large portion of the FlightGear community.

 You are right. But there are intentions to port this open source project to
 Linux and Mac. If I understood correctly the Mac port had a slightly higher
 priority.

Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses what OS 
for FG?
It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are the most 
popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.

Paul

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:02:02 +0200, Paul wrote in message 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wednesday, 8 December 2004 21:10, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote:
  On Wednesday 08 December 2004 19:27, Paul Surgeon wrote:
   Sounds like a no-go to me unless you own a Micro$oft box.
   DirectX 9b and the .NET Runtime environment are required which
   probably excludes a large portion of the FlightGear community.
 
  You are right. But there are intentions to port this open source
  project to Linux and Mac. If I understood correctly the Mac port had
  a slightly higher priority.

..yes???  Both these ports require porting the DirectX9 to OpenGL, no?

 Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to find out who uses
 what OS for FG?

..Debian Sid Linux, 2.4.27 in openMosix clusters and 2.6.9 standalone.

 It would be interesting and possibly useful info to see what OS's are
 the most popular for FG especially amongst the developer community.

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Re: [Flightgear-users] NASA Worldwind

2004-12-08 Thread Andrew Midosn
 --- Paul Surgeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Just out of interest has anyone ever done a poll to
 find out who uses what OS 
 for FG?
 It would be interesting and possibly useful info to
 see what OS's are the most 
 popular for FG especially amongst the developer
 community.
 

I'm not a developer (at least not for FlightGear), but
for what it's worth - Suse Linux 9.1.

Regards

Andrew





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