FLUXLIST: Name the Band
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Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
i never forget the chapter of ulysses called circe's episode this is the best antinationalist text i've ever read At 08:51 pm -0400 12/9/00, meryl wrote: Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. In fact I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. I don't believe that the nice boys and girls on this list haven't gotten past Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist in their explorations of Joyce (you have looked into JJ haven't you? Of course you have!). Certainly these are not "easy" books, but they're so very wonderful. If you don't feel up to the "big books" I would recommend Anthony Burgess' essays on JJ called ReJoyce. Soon I'll start carrying on about Pynchon Kiss Kiss Badgergirl Devon: got your packet and am sorting through it. more concrete info soon. -- From: veljeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 10:02 AM I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) I don'¨t even know anyone who has actually read Ulysses. But one of my big plans for the future is to translate Finnegan's Wake into Finnish. I already bought Webster's huge dictionary. I still lack a copy of the book itself. And no I haven't read it, not a single page. Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail. It's difficult. Strange phrases, strange words. And translations suck. mn
Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
the great great great English visual/sound poet/perfomer/publisher/essayist/historian Bob Cobbing in conversation said he thought the two greatest sound poetry texts of the 20th century are FINNEGAN'S WAKE and Jack Kerouac's OLD ANGEL MIDNIGHT (Bob's press Writers Forum published the first complete edition of OLD ANGEL--) --dbc
FLUXLIST: Mirth Concerns
Arrived today Wonderful And strange Thank you But from whence do they come?
Re: FLUXLIST: Finnegans Wake... (essay?)
Just read what Derrida writes about Finnegans Wake. You'll like it --- NeaL Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings!! A while back I decided I wanted the following text on my gravestone: He read Finnegans Wake twice. Actually now it is around three times. And yes, Roger, every single word. Story: When I was in high school I saw this army movie with, I think, Sinatra, who got beat up by the other soldiers for reading Ulysses, my kind of book I thought. It was the middle 60's and when I went to get the book in the library, I found that I had to be 18 to check it out. I was 16. Hmmm... what else has this guy written. Finnegans Wake was sitting there, and I didn't have to be 18 so I got it. At home I opened it up and I was really shocked. What is this? I thought. I started to read it, and for a very long time I kept starting to read it. At the most I got around 128 pages into it before I gave up. Over and over... It wasn't until in 1980, after spending a week in Ireland and hearing Dublin English, I was able to read Ulysses, without many crutches, only the Gilbert book at hand. Now after reading that book, I decided it was time to read FW. Over three months, I did it... Again with few crutches, as before I read FW I had read maybe 4 times the number of pages about FW. It was amazing... Theory: I believe that if you have any literary pretensions whatsoever, you will eventually encounter Joyce, usually Portrait, maybe Ulysses, and if you are brave FW. One of two things will happen when you encounter FW, a) you will open it up, read a few lines, shrug, and never look at it again, or b) it will become a monkey on your back, a good monkey, but a monkey all the same. That's what happened to me and to many people I eventually met. Even though you may not understand all or much of it, you know that this book is a goldmine, maybe diamond mind, and for you FW people out there a "midden heap." After reading it a second time I found a class offered at UC Berkeley on FW taught by one of the best teachers I have ever had, John Reid. He's teaching it now. 50 pages a semester, three to five pages a week, with discussion, and reading it OUT LOUD, which is the only way to read it. From the class I found a group of people who have been meeting every week for around 15 years to share this book. As John says, Joyce seems to attract a good bunch of people. It's true... Advice: In school we were always tested on "reading comprehension." We had to know and understand what we were reading while we read it, or else When you read FW you have to let that attitude go away, as you just enjoy the music of the words. Listen... This is not to say that there is no meaning there. This is one of the most seriously constructed, every letter in it's place, books ever written. Joyce worried about hyphenation of words, and what page number a sentence or word occurred. Artifice? More than that... Joyce has packed so much meaning there that it overflows, there is meaning there for us all. Rorschach test? Maybe... But as you move through the book in its endless circle of words - last sentence - A way, a lone, a last, a loved, a long the first sentence - riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation, back to Howth Castle and environs. (that was from memory, as this book creeps into your very fiber) meaning does come through as this is the story of a family, all families, and each one of us. Ulysses revealed the magic and wonder of plain everyday life. FW reveals the interconnectedness and depth of each one of us. And it shows how much music there is around us if we listen. And it also shows that language is a most amazing tool, quite flexible, and in the right hands, magic. Yeah, I love this book. Just writing this makes me want to pick it up again for another trip down the Liffey. So... get a copy of the Annotations (Blue Death) by McHugh, and a copy of FW, arm yourself with a pencil to make your own annotations, sit down and start reading it, out loud. And don't worry about "getting it" because you will "get it" over time, as it's music becomes your music. And find other people to share the reading and the discussion. This is a book to be shared... __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: Finnegans Wake
Hi, Neal He read Finnegans Wake twice. Actually now it is around three times. And yes, Roger, every single word. Well, I love Finnegan's Wake but have found it daunting. I've dipped into it countless times but never read it right through I got my Grandma to buy it for me when I was in my late teens and asked her to sign it for me. I don't think she realised what it was she'd bought me. So it reminds me of her, even though there's no real reason why it should. So - a challenge. Now I want to open it again and read. Unfortunately we have just moved house and it is still packed away in a box. One box of many piled up in the garage. Hey ho - I'll have to get back to you on this. Roger
Re: FLUXLIST: index card trade
Josh, I'd LOVE to see an original definition of conceptual art. Send it to me! BTW I'm reading Lawrence Durell's The Black Book now. Can I participate in yr Durell project? Reed Josh Ronsen wrote: Howdy y'all, I was at the library this evening, just browsing (I love browsing through the library: so many subjects to read about). I was once again thinking of which Duchamp biography to read (any suggestions? I have been reading a string of biographies/autobiographies lately: Stanislaw Lem, Aldous Huxley, Nancy Cunard, Thomas Bernhard; who will be next?), and right above the Duchamp bios was that Oxford University Press book "Art Trends Since 1945" (or "Trends in Art Since 1945"?). Something compelled me to look in it, although I have looked in it before. Lo and behold, someone had left some index cards in it. One was blank, one had a sentence fragment on it, and the third, the third, had a 35-word definition of "Conceptual Art" scrawled on it. This last one I put in my pocket. Now, I am offering this index card to a lucky one of you, in fact, the first one who replies to me saying they want it. The only catch is that the winner has to send me a non-blank index card in return (or something roughly the size of an index card). I want to disqualify Ann K. because she finds Thomas Bernhard boring, but I possess a forgiving nature, so she may enter for the card. On your marks, get set... -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.
Re: FLUXLIST: index card/Duchamp
as i recall--isn't there a volume in the series DOCUMENTS OF 20TH CENTURY ART devoted to interviews, statements etc of Duchamp? --dbc
FLUXLIST: Re:fluxvisit...news flash!
the day has arrived! tom and wendy grothus came to visit and we did an i-zone event which i will send to sol as soon as i get to a scanner. nice to meet an actual fluxster! and kikusan got in on the act too. bye, carol :) -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
I read those books from Sterne, the Journey, and of course Tristram Shandy, which I remind as a most delightful book, with amazing litterary and poetic inventions, and a remarkable sense of humor. Moreover, it is one of the first novel to play with the categories of the representation of time and space in litterature (as Voltaire did later in his Candide, but in much less brillant way): by the permanent exploration of all the enable means (and meanings) of the litterary creation, but also of the act of writing itself, Sterne blows up the frame of the fiction, the page as the format, the use of letters and words as unique ways of expression in litterature, and the classic construction of the novel. To me, there is a before and an after Tristram Shandy in the litterature history. I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food. I've never read Finnegan's Wake, but Dubliners, Self Portrait and Ulysses remain as some of my best moments as reader -even if I didn't read them twice- which I can only compare to the pleasure I felt by reading Jarry, Lautréamont, Proust, Rabelais, Sade and some others amongst who I like to live, like Mallarmé, Jean Pierre Brisset, or Raymond Roussel. I kept a long silent those last weeks, because I was moving to the west of France, in Bretagne, and also because my first baby is born the 23 rd of august, and this has (and is still) occupied me a LOT. THat's why I needed some time to read all the 560 mails I had received from the list. So I've learned only recently the departure of Ken Friedmann. I'm sad of this new, and I think that it means a no return point: with the quiting of Ken, Fluxlist might have lost the remaining Flux of its name, after the death of Dick Higgins. One may think that Eric Andersen is still here to keep the original fluxus spirit present in the list (bad taste, bad jokes, bad faith, megalomania and paranoia), one can also think that Ken's unsubscribing is of no matter, as far as this list is no more interesting in basically working on Fluxus. I don't think Ken left because of the poor and recurrent paranoic attacks of Andersen and Tamas, but because of the poor interest for Fluxus we demonstrated. And this is why I dont think of this list -which I liked a lot- as the Fluxlist anymore. Bertrand - Message d'origine - De : Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 13 septembre 2000 15:38 Objet : Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Badgergirl writes Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. Wow! Every word of Finnegan's Wake? On every page? You didn't skip bits? If this is true then I am very impressed. I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. So - what are your top 5 books? XXX Roger
Re: FLUXLIST: index card/Duchamp
I was once again thinking of which Duchamp biography to read (any suggestions? I would say Calvin Tomkins or Pierre Cabanne. You can also try to find the "Interviews with Marcel Duchamp" of¨Pierre Cabanne (I d'on't if it has been translated from french -original title is Entretiens avec Marcel Duchamp), the very best book on Duchamp I know because itis a book OF Duchamp On Duchamp: Cabann is a rather stupid interviewer, but Duchamp manage to answer intelligently to his dumb questions
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: stamp exhibition]
Yahoo! Thanks for this P.K. RA Patricia Harris Deane wrote: - Original Message - From: "Patricia Harris Deane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: [Fwd: stamp exhibition] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Media: appropriate. Deadline: Oct 1 [*] Exhibit of postage stamp designs, all exhibited, none returned. No fee. A.H. Krieger, Ground Zero Studios, 1309 Irving St NW, Washington DC 20010; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; www.tribalpop.com/postage/.
FLUXLIST: scant last bit of molly bloom's sigh
...where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes. 1922. Paris. Shakespeare Co mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mol -
Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food. Isnt this by Swift ? Who is much faster and much more readable IMHO.
Re: FLUXLIST: index card/Duchamp
here's what i have on duchamp: 'marcel duchamp' by octavio paz ISBN 0-86579-016-7 'dialogues with marcel duchamp' by pierre cabanne SNB 670-01907-0 'marcel duchamp in perspective' edited by joseph masbeck ISBN 0-13-556308-9 'the bride and the bachelors' by calvin tomkins SNB 670-00248-8 'duchamp: the bride stripped bare by her bachelors, even' by john golding SBN 670-28607-9 hope this helps, best regards, c :) Josh Ronsen wrote: I was once again thinking of which Duchamp biography to read (any suggestions? I would say Calvin Tomkins or Pierre Cabanne. Tomkins is considered to be "Duchamp's biographer" and is also a writer for the New Yorker. I've got the Cabanne book "Duchamp Co." which is a good chronology of his work, especially visually (readI got it for da pictures).. There is also a book out which focuses on Duchamp's multiples from the "Art in the Mechanical Age" exhibit earlier this year. Best, PK -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
Wasn't "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift? BadgerGirl I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food.
Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
"narvis ...pez" wrote: i never forget the chapter of ulysses called circe's episode this is the best antinationalist text i've ever read At 08:51 pm -0400 12/9/00, meryl wrote: Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. In fact I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. I don't believe that the nice boys and girls on this list haven't gotten past Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist in their explorations of Joyce I also have read Ulysses many times, it's very far from boring, a lovely heap of words, cunningly made. Various parts have been my favorite at different times, for some reason now bits from Nighttown keep recurring to me. Finnegans is something that's harder to read straight through, but it's not really made for that. It's a text for arrogant readers, people who can manage not to obey the rules of order, who can cut and reverse and drop out and choose bit after piece after bit. It was written, after all, by such a one. A text for use. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy
Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ wrote: I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food. That's actually not Sterne, that's Swift, an Irish writer of more razorlike edge, only like Sterne in his occasional rueful amusement. Mostly he was enraged, though, not like Sterne at all. I remember how funny I thought his "Ode to Celia" or somesuch was when I was a kid. Wonderful to have female embodiedness (in all its forms) acknowledged. "Modest Proposal" is wonderful controlled rage. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: scant last bit of molly bloom's sigh
I've said it before, and I'll say it, again: Firesign Theatre is way too clever to ever be discussed on FLUXLIST. http://www.firesigntheatre.com/ ...where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes. 1922. Paris. Shakespeare Co mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mollybloom mol -
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V1 #458
Reed Altemus wrote: Josh, I'd LOVE to see an original definition of conceptual art. Send it to me! Sorry, the mysterious Kraagink (sounds like a title to a Xenakis piece, n'est-pas?) won the index card. Maybe he/she will be kind enough to share it with the list when they get it (or maybe, in parallel to my short short story that is being passed around (who has it now?), they will modify the index card and send it to someone else for further modication...) A poet friend of mine just sent me some defintions, she couldn't track down who devised them: INSTALLATION ART: 1. Room that you would not normally enter without a hard hat. 2. Amusement parks minus the amusement. 3. Poorly-made structures that exist to justify a manifesto. 4. Where the vacuous and the indignant conspire to depict the obvious. PERFORMANCE ART: When a person of limited talents, who can neither write, act, sing, dance nor play a musical instrument, stands in front of an audience of limited sense and fails at all five endeavors at once. Well, I guess that teaches us! BTW I'm reading Lawrence Durell's The Black Book now. Can I participate in yr Durell project? NO! Ok, I guess. Send me your postal address, and I will send you a list of 39 words that appear in Durrell's Nunquam. Your mission: compose a new text using the 39 words (in order preferably) that (preferably) tells a story or is instructional in some way (i.e. prose) (but be creative) (and have fun) (and be brilliant) (oh just forget the rules, ok?). I have started to read the Black Book twice in the past 15 years. I can't get past the first dozen pages. I even own it, and it has sat paitently on my shelves through 10 different apartments, waiting to fulfill its destiny. I could never get into his quartet of books or the quintet. I really wanted to read them. By the way, there is a Henry Flynt tape for sale at http://www.anomalous.com It is from the mid-80s, and on it Flynt plays violin. I think it is $15. If there are any Henry Flynt fans, you might want to be aware of this -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.
