Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
If you don't strain out the Heideigger everything will be sour. ~mIEKALOn Feb 21, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Allan Revich wrote:Thanks for the tip Ann. I have been using raw beaudrillard, and that only made things worse!AReFrom: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Ann KlefstadSent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:05 PMTo: FLUXLIST@scribble.comSubject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes.Works for me.AK
RE: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thanks for the tip Ann. I have been using raw beaudrillard, and that only made things worse! ARe From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:05 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes. Works for me. AK On 2/21/06 2:54 PM, "Allan Revich " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well that goes back again to the fundamental questions: What is art? What isn’t art? Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who can decide? How is the decision made? What criteria will be used to decide? Who decides on the criteria? Who has to agree? Who is allowed to disagree? Labels are always problematic, even though they are often convenient. Expert consensus seems to be the most frequently applied and accepted means of decision making, most of the time, for most people. But expert consensus is open to the same kind of questioning. i.e. Who is an expert? Who decides? Do all the experts have to agree? What if they disagree? Which expert is right? Can they all be right? Can they all be wrong? How many experts need to agree before there is ‘consensus’? I have been reading way too much Foucault! Allan From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:27 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between “video art” (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performances―esp stuff that you couldn’t, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and “art video,” which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, "Ann Klefstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually it’s used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldn’t be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how it’s used, and how it’s disseminated―so video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, "Vai Becker Jason Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD "Cremaster 3" and saw many reviews claims that it's "video art". I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called "Father of Video Art", Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - �x息 就算你�]有上�W，你的朋友仍可以留下��息�o你，��你上�W�r就能立即看到，任何�f��都�幼呤А� http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
FLUXLIST: danger music#2
Thanks John, Walter, Kamen. Happy it scared your co workers Allan and Would love to record your parrots screaming at some point mIEKAL. check back in a few days there will eventually be nine people. Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:06:05 -0500 From: "Allan Revich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: Simultaneous portraits or Danger Music #2 for Dick MiEkal, I think it's time for a 4-Parrot Video Portrait! I for one can hardly wait to see/hear it. A!!an - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:04 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Simultaneous portraits or Danger Music #2 for Dick My parrots started screaming in unison. All four of them. Dick would be proud. --
Re: FLUXLIST: Cecil Touchon Exhibitions in Los Angeles and Fort Worth
What is the Moon Dog refernece? Just a name you picked up or do you refer to the original guy? -Don http://fluxuswest.blogspot.com/ http://fluxusmuseum.blogspot.com/ check out my website for the latest images!
Re: FLUXLIST: Cecil Touchon Exhibitions in Los Angeles and Fort Worth
On 1427 Muharram 22, at 11:24 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote: Bummer. Actually it was a great turnout maybe 100-150 people and some sales. OK my question is "how did you end up at the emergency room?" were you in an accident or something? happened to be walking past and got confused for a patient? live with said doctor? you were found strung out on poetry and cocaine? I will tell you when I see you. Your welcome to come over any time for a personal tour of the exhibit. Thanks a bunch. Actually, we may just meet up during the Thursday- noon lunch. I may just be able to visit this week. R~ --- Now playing: Inaam Mohamad Ali - Oum Koulthoum (episodes 13/14/15) I never feel that my music is sparse or minimal; the way fat people never really think they're fat. I certainly don't consider myself a minimalist at all. - Morton Feldman
Re: FLUXLIST: Sheik and Bake
On 2/21/06 2:57 PM, "Rod Stasick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/jq72a > > Can I get Roses of the P M with Freedom Fries? Or how about an order of Persians (or are those only Canadian)?
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? I have heard that if you have too much foucault in the soup you should add raw potatoes. Works for me. AK On 2/21/06 2:54 PM, "Allan Revich " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well that goes back again to the fundamental questions: What is art? What isn’t art? Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who can decide? How is the decision made? What criteria will be used to decide? Who decides on the criteria? Who has to agree? Who is allowed to disagree? Labels are always problematic, even though they are often convenient. Expert consensus seems to be the most frequently applied and accepted means of decision making, most of the time, for most people. But expert consensus is open to the same kind of questioning. i.e. Who is an expert? Who decides? Do all the experts have to agree? What if they disagree? Which expert is right? Can they all be right? Can they all be wrong? How many experts need to agree before there is ‘consensus’? I have been reading way too much Foucault! Allan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:27 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between “video art” (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performances—esp stuff that you couldn’t, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and “art video,” which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, "Ann Klefstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually it’s used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldn’t be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how it’s used, and how it’s disseminated—so video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, "Vai Becker Jason Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD "Cremaster 3" and saw many reviews claims that it's "video art". I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called "Father of Video Art", Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
FLUXLIST: Sheik and Bake
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RE: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Well that goes back again to the fundamental questions: What is art? What isn’t art? Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who can decide? How is the decision made? What criteria will be used to decide? Who decides on the criteria? Who has to agree? Who is allowed to disagree? Labels are always problematic, even though they are often convenient. Expert consensus seems to be the most frequently applied and accepted means of decision making, most of the time, for most people. But expert consensus is open to the same kind of questioning. i.e. Who is an expert? Who decides? Do all the experts have to agree? What if they disagree? Which expert is right? Can they all be right? Can they all be wrong? How many experts need to agree before there is ‘consensus’? I have been reading way too much Foucault! Allan From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Ann Klefstad Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:27 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between “video art” (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performances―esp stuff that you couldn’t, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and “art video,” which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, "Ann Klefstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually it’s used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldn’t be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how it’s used, and how it’s disseminated―so video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, "Vai Becker Jason Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD "Cremaster 3" and saw many reviews claims that it's "video art". I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called "Father of Video Art", Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - �x息 就算你�]有上�W，你的朋友仍可以留下��息�o你，��你上�W�r就能立即看到，任何�f��都�幼呤А� http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Thinking about this again, maybe we could make a distinction between “video art” (Paik and others who use the tools of video to make things that present as objects or performances—esp stuff that you couldn’t, for instance, easily put in their entirety on a DVD or tape); and “art video,” which would include stuff like Barney and Viola. Does this make sense? One tends to be about the medium; the other uses the medium. AK On 2/21/06 11:47 AM, "Ann Klefstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually it’s used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldn’t be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how it’s used, and how it’s disseminated—so video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, "Vai Becker Jason Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD "Cremaster 3" and saw many reviews claims that it's "video art". I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called "Father of Video Art", Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Well I guess to me video art is tv without commercials. Haha. But I suppose usually it’s used to mean video used to make something besides narrative, which to some degree wd leave Viola out, but he shouldn’t be left out, so maybe one could say, video that occurs outside the usual means of dissemination of television and movies, which would mean that playing Bollywood videos or episodes of I Dream of Jeannie in a context of heightened attention would constitute video art. Art definitions are always a bit tricky because some people would define art from above, like, by style or by a supposed historical unity that contains a consistent body of production, while (I think more realistically) others would define art as whatever artists do, which is not very consistent and which increasingly tends to include styles and modes from any and all periods of history. Which leaves us with thinking about art defined mainly through where it appears, how it’s used, and how it’s disseminated—so video art is what people look at in video art shows, and what people do who call themselves video artists. AK On 2/21/06 3:29 AM, "Vai Becker Jason Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD "Cremaster 3" and saw many reviews claims that it's "video art". I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called "Father of Video Art", Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
FLUXLIST: 6 more alphashorties
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Re: FLUXLIST: Cecil Touchon Exhibitions in Los Angeles and Fort Worth
Bummer. Actually it was a great turnout maybe 100-150 people and some sales. OK my question is "how did you end up at the emergency room?" were you in an accident or something? happened to be walking past and got confused for a patient? live with said doctor? you were found strung out on poetry and cocaine? Your welcome to come over any time for a personal tour of the exhibit. What we came up with at my opening was to start a thursday noon lunchen meeting of whoever wants to show up and hang out to talk, collaborate, plan out things. It will be the Ontological Museum's Thursday Lunch at the Jazz Cafe on Montgomery Street thursdays at noon. Cecil http://touchon.com Rod Stasick wrote: On 1427 Muharram 16, at 10:48 PM, Cecil Touchon wrote: Opening this Saturday night... If your in the area stop in and say hi! This show is all brand new work created since arriving to Fort Worth 6 months ago. Show is Fort Worth, Texas http://cecil.touchon.com/show-wcca-06.html Cecil, I was going to surprise you by driving thru the ice and cold to pay a visit, but a young overanxious emergency room Doc decided to admit me to the hospital on Saturday morn (first time for me!) and I couldn't escape until nearly 18 hours later! Pretty useless and unnecessary, but I now have a medical file after 47 years that shows that I'm in great health. hmm... Are you going to be holding forth (or a fifth) at the gallery anytime soon? Rod --- Now playing: Codona - Codona Moon Dog RANDOM RODIO: (often) rodcasting at: http://rodcast.dyndns.org:8000/listen.m3u "you won't like all of it"
RE: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Labels can be helpful as shorthand descriptions for things. But labels can also be misleading, constraining, and confusing. If you can view a thing on a screen or monitor, then it could be “video art”. If a person who calls herself an artist states the thing she made is “video art”, then it could be video art. If a person who collects video art acquires a thing that he considers to be video art, then it could be video art. Nam June Paik was an artist who made extensive use of video media in his work, so much of his work could be described as video art. Matthew Barney is an artist who makes use of video, and Cremaster 3 exists in video format, so it could be video art. The question, “what is art” can not be definitively answered, so the question that you have asked can also not be definitively answered. Just keep looking, listening, and learning! Allan From: owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com [mailto:owner-FLUXLIST@scribble.com] On Behalf Of Vai Becker Jason Steve Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:30 AM To: fluxlist@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: What is Video Art? Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD "Cremaster 3" and saw many reviews claims that it's "video art". I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called "Father of Video Art", Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan ___ YM - �x息 就算你�]有上�W，你的朋友仍可以留下��息�o你，��你上�W�r就能立即看到，任何�f��都�幼呤А� http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
FLUXLIST: Six Alphashorts
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FLUXLIST: What is Video Art?
Hello everybody, I've recently bought Matthew Barney's DVD "Cremaster 3" and saw many reviews claims that it's "video art". I know that Nam June Paik is always associated with this term and sometimes called "Father of Video Art", Some of Paiks' works are in strict film form (i.e. Zen Film) and some of them are like installation art (i.e. TV Garden, TV Cello), does both count as video art? I'm quite confused with this term after looking up on Wikipedia, can anyone kindly introduce me this form of art? Thanks! Ryan___ YM - 離線訊息 就算你沒有上網，你的朋友仍可以留下訊息給你，當你上網時就能立即看到，任何說話都冇走失。 http://messenger.yahoo.com.hk
Re: FLUXLIST: Don Boyd's Blog
Thanks madawg, I dont get round to my blogs as often as I'd like but will make an effort to update a couple over the coming week. Cheers! http://curiosthings.blogspot.com/ http://fantasyrooms.blogspot.com/ http://bootsalesounds.blogspot.com/ http://a1mailart.blogspot.com/ http://scrapiteria.blogspot.com/ Michael --- Madawg Painterofdark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don's Blog is great- could get lost there-didnt know > fluxus had a blog.Saw Michael Leigh's blog- very > impressive > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > It's another blog! http://flobberlob.blogspot.com/ ___ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/
