Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb...
dear friends fellow workers-- thank yo for the sites--and smells--! and then there is of course the equating of fesces with money that comes up in freud-- i like also very much this from Celine's JOURNEY TO THE END OF THE NIGHT, when the protagonist Bardamu is wandeing homeless and hungry streets of New York City: "Almost every desire of a poor person is a punishable offence"b From: "LeClaire, Candace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: "'fluxlist@scribble.com'" fluxlist@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb... Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:48:18 -0500 Well - part of the proverb has already come to fruition: http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Art/art.html As for the second half, I think we can all agree that there are still plenty of assholes in the world! When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes - Brazilian Proverb Try the NEW version of MSN Messenger available - it's FREE!
Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment
It's what we often call ourselves, so I guess its good. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment In a message dated 1/24/05 7:54:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW.People from Ontario don't like being called Westerners. We are CentralCanadians. Annoyingly conceited and much to full of ourselves, even ifToronto is the centre of the universe.We Michiganders called you guys Canucks- is that bad or good?
Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment
In a message dated 1/24/05 7:54:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW. People from Ontario don't like being called Westerners. We are Central Canadians. Annoyingly conceited and much to full of ourselves, even if Toronto is the centre of the universe. We Michiganders called you guys Canucks- is that bad or good?
RE: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb...
Dear Don, et.al. If you could not read the link I forwarded, I did a cut and paste of it (sans photos) below... I couldn't get your message. Our screens are filtered. -Don -- Well - part of the proverb has already come to fruition: http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Art/art.html When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes - Brazilian Proverb Merda d'Artista, or, You Call That Shit Art? Posted 4.11.02002 by Sarah Digestion and excretion. Elimination of solid waste. Making number two. Taking a big ol' dump. The names for this natural bodily process are many, and for eons upon eons, humans have taken an inordinate amount of interest in their own shit production. Heck, even primates at the zoo are frequently seen flinging or consuming their own feces, so there's a long evolutionary tradition at work. But to what end? Piero Manzoni: Merda d'Artista (1961). The culmination of the evolutionary process, some might say, is the human desire to create. The human creative impulse takes form across a broad spectrum, ranging from the profane to the sacred -- from one end we create shit, and from the other, art. Thus is seems only fitting (that is, if you follow my dubious line of reasoning) that the two would merge to form the ultimate in human creation. It is precisely this merger which Italian artist Piero Manzoni depicted in his 1961 piece Merda d'Artista, or Artist's Shit: He sealed his crap in a bunch of cans, signed and mounted them, and sold them as art. There are also two relatively well-known modern artists who have chosen to explore this line of imagery, to better our understanding of the human condition. Or maybe they were all just trying to come up with creative ways of getting shit into a museum setting. In either case, I think they did their duty (hahahaha! oh, I kill me) admirably. Chris Ofili: The Holy Virgin Mary (1996) Take the British artist Chris Ofili. You may recall his painting depicting the Virgin Mary with a breast sculpted from elephant dung, which created a huge ruckus a few years ago when displayed in a New York museum. But this is not his only work incorporating huge clumps of shit. In fact, he often uses elephant dung to prop up his paintings in shows. Ofili is quoted in Salon.com as saying, Somehow it makes the painting feel more relaxed, instead of being pinned upon the wall like it's being crucified ... [The painting can] stand in its own shit and watch the other paintings being crucified on the wall. Yeah! The titles of some of Ofili's other pieces speak for themselves: there's Bag of Shit, Shithead, and he even held a Shit Sale in 1993 in London. However, this is still all in the realm of the familiar and earthy. Yet another artist, Belgian Wim Delvoye, elevated the production of shit to an inhuman, impersonal level in his conceptual artwork Cloaca. This installation piece consisted of a huge machine of glass, tubes, wires, and pumps that, when fed a meal on one end, would digest it using a blender and jars of enzymes. Wim Delvoye: Cloaca (2000) According to the Artnet review (which was highly entertaining reading in itself), in a couple of days the food came out of a filtering unit as something close to genuine, human shit. A process which, apparently, made grown men blanch and little girls cry. What more could you ask from a piece of art? The turds were subsequently signed and sold á la Piero Manzoni. (Delvoye is currently at work on his ongoing project: tattooing a herd of pigs.) Art and shit: a confluence which these artists see as oh-so-natural, but a conjunction that remains disturbing to the average museum-goer. Yet why should that be so? Why should we not embrace humanity in all its shitty glory? Perhaps this is a question for art critics of future ages to answer, when they find petrified lumps of crap in the museum storage room.
Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment
Rod, Think 'literary' not 'literal' This is a 'fluxlist' after all ;-) BTW. People from Ontario don't like being called Westerners. We are Central Canadians. Annoyingly conceited and much to full of ourselves, even if Toronto is the centre of the universe. Allan (R) - Original Message - From: Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment On Jan 23 2005, at 14:45, AllanR wrote: Yes, but how many answers are there? Two? Three? Funny how you Westerners think... Rod --- Now playing: Jimmy Lyons - Gossip
Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb...
Well - part of the proverb has already come to fruition: http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Art/art.html As for the second half, I think we can all agree that there are still plenty of assholes in the world! When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes - Brazilian Proverb
Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb...
Thanks for that web link--that's some nice shit. From: LeClaire, Candace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well - part of the proverb has already come to fruition: http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Art/art.html As for the second half, I think we can all agree that there are still plenty of assholes in the world! When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes - Brazilian Proverb
Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment
Yes, but how many answers are there? Two? Three? What will happen to us if we don't know how many answers there are? Will our heads explode? That would be pretty cool. Allan - Original Message - From: Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment On Jan 22 2005, at 11:30, Cecil Touchon wrote: When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes - Brazilian Proverb That would not quite be right because then those without assholes would be full of shit. Perhaps it would actually be more like... When shit is worth money, those born without assholes will be the poor (unless they are savvy middle men). and the saying His shit don´t stink would become an insult. and the saying¨What an asshole. would become a compliment. So why would it be a compliment when people say, He´s the shit. in these times when shit is still worth nothing? Are they assholes? I´m confused... Work it Cecil, work it! OK, really the truth is... The Brazilian Proverb part is an adaptation of a Henry Miller quote which is: When shit becomes valuable, the poor will be born without assholes. So, he's the one to blame, I suppose, but quotes can be manipulated anyway, you choose. Like I said, there is more than one answer. Rod
Re: FLUXLIST: Brazilian Proverb is full of shit, needs adjustment
On Jan 22 2005, at 11:30, Cecil Touchon wrote: When shit is worth money, the poor will be born without assholes - Brazilian Proverb That would not quite be right because then those without assholes would be full of shit. Perhaps it would actually be more like... When shit is worth money, those born without assholes will be the poor (unless they are savvy middle men). and the saying His shit don´t stink would become an insult. and the saying¨What an asshole. would become a compliment. So why would it be a compliment when people say, He´s the shit. in these times when shit is still worth nothing? Are they assholes? I´m confused... Work it Cecil, work it! OK, really the truth is... The Brazilian Proverb part is an adaptation of a Henry Miller quote which is: When shit becomes valuable, the poor will be born without assholes. So, he's the one to blame, I suppose, but quotes can be manipulated anyway, you choose. Like I said, there is more than one answer. Rod
