Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Alan Kay
Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM ("The next 700 programming languages") You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn "the idea of Lisp" Cheers, Alan > >From: karl ramberg >To: Fundamentals of New Computing >Sent: Wednesday, August 17,

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread BGB
On 8/17/2011 2:15 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: May I join in :-) ? This is my first post here, so hello everybody. In one sentence, I like computing (that's introduction). On Wed, 17 Aug 2011, BGB wrote: I once had a good experience using Scheme, which has influenced most of my later efforts (despi

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Tomasz Rola
May I join in :-) ? This is my first post here, so hello everybody. In one sentence, I like computing (that's introduction). On Wed, 17 Aug 2011, BGB wrote: > I once had a good experience using Scheme, which has influenced most of my > later efforts (despite me generally switching to a more tr

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread David Leibs
I wish you could have seen Interlisp-D running on a Dorado. -David -David On Aug 17, 2011, at 12:00 PM, karl ramberg wrote: > Hi, > Just reading a Lisp book my self. > Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. > The nesting in parentheses are hard to read and comprehend / debug. > Things g

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread BGB
I once had a good experience using Scheme, which has influenced most of my later efforts (despite me generally switching to a more traditional C-family-like syntax, invoking many accusations of "blub" and similar). I also found Self an interesting language to look at. Lisp-style syntax does h

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread karl ramberg
Hi, Just reading a Lisp book my self. Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. The nesting in p*arentheses* are hard to read and comprehend / debug. Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more powerful. The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more t

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread David Leibs
Hi Sean, Two books that I like quite a lot are: "Anatomy of Lisp" by John Allen. It's a classic from the golden age. "Lisp in Small Pieces" by Christian Queninnec. It's a modern classic. -David On Aug 17, 2011, at 11:00 AM, DeNigris Sean wrote: > Alan, > > While we're on the sub

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread DeNigris Sean
Alan, While we're on the subject, you finally got to me and I started learning LISP, but I'm finding an entire world, rather than a cohesive language or philosophy (Scheme - which itself has many variants, Common LISP, etc). What would you recommend to "get it" in the way that changes your thin

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread DeNigris Sean
Thanks, Bert. On Aug 17, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 17.08.2011, at 17:08, Kevin Driedger wrote: > >> Here's a Google Doc conversion of the wayback machine version: >> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://web.archive.org/web/20070516130537/http://www.dolphinharbor.org/d

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.08.2011, at 17:48, David Leibs wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >> >> There is a paper on PIE (and many other interesting systems) in >> Barstow/Shrobe/Sandewall's "Interactive Programming Environments". Used >> copies for 1 cent (like many "outdated" comp

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Alan Kay
I certainly wouldn't! Cheers Alan > >From: David Leibs >To: Fundamentals of New Computing >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:48 AM >Subject: Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk > > > > >On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread David Leibs
On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > There is a paper on PIE (and many other interesting systems) in > Barstow/Shrobe/Sandewall's "Interactive Programming Environments". Used > copies for 1 cent (like many "outdated" computer books): > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/0070038856

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.08.2011, at 17:08, Kevin Driedger wrote: > Here's a Google Doc conversion of the wayback machine version: > https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://web.archive.org/web/20070516130537/http://www.dolphinharbor.org/docs/PIE%2520four%2520reports.pdf&pli=1 > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:18 PM,

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Kevin Driedger
Here's a Google Doc conversion of the wayback machine version: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://web.archive.org/web/20070516130537/http://www.dolphinharbor.org/docs/PIE%2520four%2520reports.pdf&pli=1 Or: http://www.dolphinharbor.org/dh/smalltalk/documents/ Look for: An Experimental Desc