Right now I'm a bit confused.
I saw here 2 aspects of the world wide web that make it a mess.
1. The browser cannot host arbitrary processes. So instead of
something simple and general, we have the current html + CSS +
Javascript + webGl + whatnot… And of course a huge pile of
The same things are at a Very High Level computing (beyond application
boundary at enterprise-wide level, and especially beyond enterprise boundary
at business eco-systems level). There are BPMN engines, issue trackers,
project management systems, document management/workflow systems, etc..
And
On 1 March 2012 02:26, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
wonderful. so, in 5 years (put less if you want) i can be sure that my
app can run on every machine on any browser,
and i don't have to put update your browser warning.
No, because in 5 years' time you will be wanting to do
Loup,
I agree that the Web is a mess. The original sin was to assume that people
would only want to connect to other computers in order to retrieve a
limited set of static documents. I think the reason for this was that
everyone sticked to the Unix security model, where everything you run has
all
On 1 March 2012 12:30, Reuben Thomas r...@sc3d.org wrote:
On 1 March 2012 02:26, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
wonderful. so, in 5 years (put less if you want) i can be sure that my
app can run on every machine on any browser,
and i don't have to put update your browser warning.
On 1 March 2012 12:00, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
Now if you take things like tcp/ip. How much changes/extensions over
the years since first deployment of it you seen?
The only noticeable one i know of is introduction of ipv6.
Yes, but you can say the same of HTTP. You're
Martin Baldan wrote:
That said, I don't see why you have an issue with search engines and
search services. Even on your own machine, searching files with complex
properties is far from trivial. When outside, untrusted sources are
involved, you need someone to tell you what is relevant, what is
Is this one of the aims?
Julian
On 01/03/2012, at 11:42 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote:
The biggest challenge for FONC will not be to achieve good technical
results, as it is stuffed with people who have a history of doing
great work, and its results to date are already exciting, but to get
those
Hi Loup
Someone else said that about links.
Browsing about either knowing where you are (and going) and/or about dealing
with a rough max of 100 items. After that search is necessary.
However, Ted Nelson said a lot in each of the last 5 decades about what kinds
of linking do the most good.
My friend Peter Norvig is the Director of Research at Google.
I told him that I had heard of an astounding jump in the penetration of
Chrome.
He says the best numbers they have at present is that Chrome is 20% to 30%
penetrated ...
Cheers,
Alan
On Mar 1, 2012 4:11 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
My friend Peter Norvig is the Director of Research at Google.
I told him that I had heard of an astounding jump in the penetration of
Chrome.
He says the best numbers they have at present is that Chrome is 20% to
30% penetrated ...
On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:16, Reuben Thomas r...@sc3d.org wrote:
Myself, I just switched back to Firefox :)
Me too, for the moment. Old habits... and some dependency on FF plugins.
Ken ;-)
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On 3/1/2012 8:04 AM, Reuben Thomas wrote:
On 1 March 2012 15:02, Julian Levistonjul...@leviston.net wrote:
Is this one of the aims?
It doesn't seem to be, which is sad, because however brilliant the
ideas you can't rely on other people to get them out for you.
this is part of why I am
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Martin Baldan martino...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
What got me wondering this was the fact that people, as far as I know,
don't use domain-specific languages in natural speech. What they do use is
jargon, but the syntax is always the same. What if one could program
BGB wrote:
there is also, at this point, a reasonable lack of industrial strength
scripting languages.
there are a few major industrial strength languages (C, C++, Java, C#,
etc...), and a number of scripting languages (Python, Lua, JavaScript,
...), but not generally anything to bridge the gap
Yes, namespaces provide a form of jargon, but that's clearly not enough.
If it were, there wouldn't be so many programming languages. You can't use,
say, Java imports to turn Java into Smalltalk, or Haskell or Nile. They
have different syntax and different semantics. But in the end you describe
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Martin Baldan martino...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it was Julian, in message:
http://vpri.org/mailman/private/fonc/2012/003131.html
BTW, I'm having a hard time trying to find who said what in this mailing
list. Maybe I'm missing something, I feel a bit silly,
Ah, thanks! :)
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.mail-archive.com/fonc@vpri.org/
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On 3/1/2012 10:12 AM, Loup Vaillant wrote:
BGB wrote:
there is also, at this point, a reasonable lack of industrial strength
scripting languages.
there are a few major industrial strength languages (C, C++, Java, C#,
etc...), and a number of scripting languages (Python, Lua, JavaScript,
...),
On 3/1/2012 10:25 AM, Martin Baldan wrote:
Yes, namespaces provide a form of jargon, but that's clearly not
enough. If it were, there wouldn't be so many programming languages.
You can't use, say, Java imports to turn Java into Smalltalk, or
Haskell or Nile. They have different syntax and
Below.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that limitation. I have the feeling however that
IDEs and debuggers are overrated.
When I'm Squeaking, sometimes I find myself modeling classes with the browser
but leaving method bodies to
On 3/1/2012 2:58 PM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Below.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Loup Vaillantl...@loup-vaillant.fr wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that limitation. I have the feeling however that
IDEs and debuggers are overrated.
When I'm Squeaking, sometimes I find myself modeling classes with
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Loup
snip
However, Ted Nelson said a lot in each of the last 5 decades about what
kinds of linking do the most good. (Chase down what he has to say about why
one-way links are not what should be done.) He advocated
Le 01/03/2012 22:58, Casey Ransberger a écrit :
Below.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Loup Vaillantl...@loup-vaillant.fr wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that limitation. I have the feeling however that
IDEs and debuggers are overrated.
When I'm Squeaking, sometimes I find myself modeling classes
On 3/1/2012 3:56 PM, Loup Vaillant wrote:
Le 01/03/2012 22:58, Casey Ransberger a écrit :
Below.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Loup Vaillantl...@loup-vaillant.fr wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that limitation. I have the feeling however that
IDEs and debuggers are overrated.
When I'm Squeaking,
Inline.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr wrote:
Le 01/03/2012 22:58, Casey Ransberger a écrit :
Below.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Loup Vaillantl...@loup-vaillant.fr wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that limitation. I have the feeling however that
IDEs and
What if the aim that superseded this was to make it available to the next set
of people, who can do something about real fundamental change around this?
Perhaps what is needed is to ACTUALLY clear out the cruft. Maybe it's not easy
or possible through the old channels... too much work to
Nelson's still kicking, you know: see http://gzigzag.sourceforge.net/ for
some recent spin-offs.
-- Max
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Casey Ransberger
casey.obrie...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Loup
snip
However, Ted Nelson
Right you are. Centralised search seems a bit silly to me.
Take object orientedism and apply it to search and you get a thing where each
node searches itself when asked... apply this to a local-focussed topology (ie
spider web serch out) and utilise intelligent caching (so search the localised
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