Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Kevin Driedger
Here's a Google Doc conversion of the wayback machine version: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://web.archive.org/web/20070516130537/http://www.dolphinharbor.org/docs/PIE%2520four%2520reports.pdfpli=1 Or: http://www.dolphinharbor.org/dh/smalltalk/documents/ Look for: An Experimental

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 17.08.2011, at 17:08, Kevin Driedger wrote: Here's a Google Doc conversion of the wayback machine version: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://web.archive.org/web/20070516130537/http://www.dolphinharbor.org/docs/PIE%2520four%2520reports.pdfpli=1 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:18 PM,

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread David Leibs
On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: There is a paper on PIE (and many other interesting systems) in Barstow/Shrobe/Sandewall's Interactive Programming Environments. Used copies for 1 cent (like many outdated computer books): http://www.amazon.com/dp/0070038856

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread DeNigris Sean
Alan, While we're on the subject, you finally got to me and I started learning LISP, but I'm finding an entire world, rather than a cohesive language or philosophy (Scheme - which itself has many variants, Common LISP, etc). What would you recommend to get it in the way that changes your

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread David Leibs
Hi Sean, Two books that I like quite a lot are: Anatomy of Lisp by John Allen. It's a classic from the golden age. Lisp in Small Pieces by Christian Queninnec. It's a modern classic. -David On Aug 17, 2011, at 11:00 AM, DeNigris Sean wrote: Alan, While we're on the subject,

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread karl ramberg
Hi, Just reading a Lisp book my self. Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. The nesting in p*arentheses* are hard to read and comprehend / debug. Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more powerful. The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread BGB
I once had a good experience using Scheme, which has influenced most of my later efforts (despite me generally switching to a more traditional C-family-like syntax, invoking many accusations of blub and similar). I also found Self an interesting language to look at. Lisp-style syntax does

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Tomasz Rola
May I join in :-) ? This is my first post here, so hello everybody. In one sentence, I like computing (that's introduction). On Wed, 17 Aug 2011, BGB wrote: I once had a good experience using Scheme, which has influenced most of my later efforts (despite me generally switching to a more

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread BGB
On 8/17/2011 2:15 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: May I join in :-) ? This is my first post here, so hello everybody. In one sentence, I like computing (that's introduction). On Wed, 17 Aug 2011, BGB wrote: I once had a good experience using Scheme, which has influenced most of my later efforts

Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk

2011-08-17 Thread Alan Kay
Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM (The next 700 programming languages) You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn the idea of Lisp Cheers, Alan From: karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org