Below.
On Dec 16, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
> And what Engelbart was upset about was that the "hands out -- hands together"
> style did not survive. The "hands out" had one hand with the 5 finger
> keyboard and the other with the mouse and 3 buttons -- this allowed
> navigation and a
> Some things are just expensive. No one has found an acceptable solution.
> These are things we should avoid in the infrastructure underneath a personal
> computing experience:)
Or figure out how to amortize them over time. I think recent
raytracing apps are a good example of this. You can p
Below. Abridged.
On Dec 16, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Steve Dekorte wrote:
>
> FWIW, in my memory, my old NeXTstation felt as snappy as modern desktops but
> when I ran across one at the Computer History Museum it felt painfully slow.
> I've had similar experiences with seeing old video games and fi
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:10 PM, John Zabroski wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
> wrote:
>> Steve Dekorte wrote:
>>
>>> [NeXTStation memories versus reality]
>>
>> I still have a running Apple II. My slowest working PC is a 33MHz 486,
>> so I can't directly do the c
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
wrote:
> Steve Dekorte wrote:
>
>> [NeXTStation memories versus reality]
>
> I still have a running Apple II. My slowest working PC is a 33MHz 486,
> so I can't directly do the comparison I mentioned. But I agree we
> shouldn't trust what we re
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> [human limits - growing code]
Perhaps the copycat work Doug Hofstadter, did is a step in this
direction?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_%28software%29
> [OpenMP doesn't match reality]
I agree 100%. But it didn't mess up the logic as much as MPI does. This
was a class
John Zabroski wrote:
> You said that our field had become so impoverished because nobody
> googles Douglas Englebart and watches The Mother of All Demoes, and
> also noted that evolution finds "fits" rather than optimal solutions.
> But you didn't really provide any examples of how we are the vict
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
> I hope I didn't say "there was absolutely nothing worth talking about in the
> 'personal computing' space in the past 30 years" (and don't think I did say
> that).
>
> "Let us all share in the excitement of Discovery without vain attempts to
> cla
I hope I didn't say "there was absolutely nothing worth talking about in the
'personal computing' space in the past 30 years" (and don't think I did say
that).
"Let us all share in the excitement of Discovery without vain attempts to claim
priority" -- Goethe
So some recent manifestations of i
On 2011-12-16 Fri, at 01:38 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>> How can we spend money now to live in the future? Alan mentioned the
>> first way in his talk: put lots and lots of FPGA together. The BEE3
>
> FPGAs suffer the problem of lack of embedded memory. Consider
> GPGPU with quarter of TByte/s bandw
FWIW, in my memory, my old NeXTstation felt as snappy as modern desktops but
when I ran across one at the Computer History Museum it felt painfully slow.
I've had similar experiences with seeing old video games and finding the
quality of the graphics to be much lower than I remembered.
This is
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 04:14:40PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>
> > It's remarkable how few are using MPI in practice. A lot of code
> > is being made multithread-proof, and for what? So that they'll have
> > to rewrite it for message-passing, again?
>
> Having seen a
I disagree with the tone in Alan's talk here. While it is great to
see what was happening in the 50-70s, he makes it sound like there is
absolutely nothing worth talking about in the "personal computing"
space in the past 30 years.
Pranav Mistry's work on "sixth sense technology" and the mouseles
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> It's remarkable how few are using MPI in practice. A lot of code
> is being made multithread-proof, and for what? So that they'll have
> to rewrite it for message-passing, again?
Having seen a couple of applications which used MPI it seems like a dead
end to me. The code is
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
> Karl Ramberg wrote:
>
> > One of Alans points in his talk is that students should be using
> bleeding edge
> > hardware, not just regular laptops. I think he is right for some part
> but he also
> > recollected the Joss environment whic
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