How about symbolic sound Kyma? I think that's an amazing platform - hopefully 
I'll get it soon <dance>

http://www.symbolicsound.com

Julian

On 24/01/2012, at 6:20 AM, GrrrWaaa wrote:

> Max/MSP (which I know a couple of people on this list are very familiar with) 
> is one amongst a huge history of other visual, textual and visual+textual 
> programming languages to think about taking apart and putting together 
> structures in time (such as music). In particular, people on this list might 
> be interested in these, which arguably have more fonc than Live/Logic etc:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMusic
> http://www2.siba.fi/pwgl/pwglsynth.html
> https://github.com/digego/extempore
> 
> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 23/01/2012, at 4:17 PM, BGB wrote:
>> 
>>> as opposed to either manually placing samples on a timeline (like in 
>>> Audacity or similar), or the stream of note-on/note-off pulses and delays 
>>> used by MIDI, an alternate idea comes up:
>>> one has a number of delayed relative "events", which are in-turn piped 
>>> through any number of filters.
>>> 
>>> then one can procedurally issue commands of the form "in N seconds from 
>>> now, do this", with commands being relative to a base-time (and the ability 
>>> to adjust the base-time based either on a constant value or how long it 
>>> would take a certain "expression" to finish playing).
>>> 
>>> likewise, expressions/events can be piped through filters.
>>> filters could either apply a given effect (add echo or reverb, ...), or 
>>> could be structural (such as to repeat or loop a sequence, potentially 
>>> indefinitely), or possibly sounds could be entirely simulated (various 
>>> waveform patterns, such as sine, box, and triangle, ...).
>> 
>> Heya,
>> 
>> Yeah, I've had that idea for a while - although a more comprehensive one (I 
>> write music). Take a look at what Apple did to their own product Final Cut 
>> Pro... to turn it into Final Cut Pro X, and notice that there are rumors 
>> surrounding Logic Pro X, and I'm pretty sure you'll see that this idea is 
>> where Apple will most likely go when they release Logic Pro X.
>> 
>> In Final Cut Pro, they call it their "magic timeline".
>> 
>> By the way, what you're describing CAN be done with Ableton Live without 
>> much trouble... also Ableton Live has the ability to use Max for Live, which 
>> is Cycling 74's excellent Max/MSP product inlined into a Live instrument 
>> (what you're calling various waveform patterns). It's sine, square/pulse and 
>> triangle by the way, not "box"... and we also can use all sorts of other 
>> waveforms... generated or sampled...
>> 
>> Julian
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