Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread BGB
On 10/2/2012 5:48 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: BGB writes: On 10/2/2012 12:19 PM, Paul Homer wrote: It always seems to be that each new generation of programmers goes straight for the low-hanging fruit, ignoring that most of it has already been solved many times over. Meanw

Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
BGB writes: > On 10/2/2012 12:19 PM, Paul Homer wrote: > > It always seems to be that each new generation of programmers goes > straight for the low-hanging fruit, ignoring that most of it has > already been solved many times over. Meanwhile the real problems > remain. There has b

Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
Reuben Thomas writes: > On 2 October 2012 16:21, John Pratt wrote: >> Basically, Alan Kay is too polite to say what >> we all know to be the case, which is that things >> are far inferior to where they could have been >> if people had listened to what he was saying in the 1970's. > > He's also n

Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread BGB
On 10/2/2012 12:19 PM, Paul Homer wrote: It always seems to be that each new generation of programmers goes straight for the low-hanging fruit, ignoring that most of it has already been solved many times over. Meanwhile the real problems remain. There has been progress, but over the couple of d

Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 2 October 2012 16:21, John Pratt wrote: > Basically, Alan Kay is too polite to say what > we all know to be the case, which is that things > are far inferior to where they could have been > if people had listened to what he was saying in the 1970's. He's also not very good at dissemination, or

Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread Paul Homer
It always seems to be that each new generation of programmers goes straight for the low-hanging fruit, ignoring that most of it has already been solved many times over. Meanwhile the real problems remain. There has been progress, but over the couple of decades I've been working, I've always felt

[fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread John Pratt
Basically, Alan Kay is too polite to say what we all know to be the case, which is that things are far inferior to where they could have been if people had listened to what he was saying in the 1970's. Inefficient chip architectures, bloated frameworks, and people don't know at all. It needs a re