Re: [fonc] Actors, Light Cones and Epistemology (was Layering, Thinking and Computing)

2013-04-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 08:27:08AM -0700, David Barbour wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Few ns are effective eternities in terms of modern gate delays. I presume the conversation was about synchronization, which should be avoided in general

Re: [fonc] Actors, Light Cones and Epistemology (was Layering, Thinking and Computing)

2013-04-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 03:03:12PM -0700, David Barbour wrote: And I've seen Grace Hopper's video on nanoseconds before. If you carry a piece of wire of the right length, it isn't difficult to say where light carrying information will be after a few nanoseconds. :D Few ns are effective

Re: [fonc] Actors, Light Cones and Epistemology (was Layering, Thinking and Computing)

2013-04-15 Thread David Barbour
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Few ns are effective eternities in terms of modern gate delays. I presume the conversation was about synchronization, which should be avoided in general unless absolutely necessary, and not done directly in hardware.

Re: [fonc] Actors, Light Cones and Epistemology (was Layering, Thinking and Computing)

2013-04-15 Thread Pascal J. Bourguignon
David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon p...@informatimago.com wrote: David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com writes: On Apr 14, 2013 9:46 AM, Tristan Slominski tristan.slomin...@gmail.com wrote: A mechanic

Re: [fonc] Actors, Light Cones and Epistemology (was Layering, Thinking and Computing)

2013-04-15 Thread David Barbour
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon p...@informatimago.com wrote: I think that one place where light cone considerations are involved is with caches in multi-processor systems. If all processors could have instantaneous knowledge of what the views of the other processors

[fonc] Actors, Light Cones and Epistemology (was Layering, Thinking and Computing)

2013-04-14 Thread Tristan Slominski
I believe our world is 'synchronous' in the sense of things happening at the same time in different places... It seems to me that you are describing a privileged frame of reference. How is it privileged? Would you consider your car mechanic to have a 'privileged' frame of reference on

Re: [fonc] Actors, Light Cones and Epistemology (was Layering, Thinking and Computing)

2013-04-14 Thread David Barbour
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon p...@informatimago.com wrote: David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com writes: On Apr 14, 2013 9:46 AM, Tristan Slominski tristan.slomin...@gmail.com wrote: A mechanic is a poor example because frame of reference is almost irrelevant