Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-02 Thread Martin Baldan
Julian, I'm not sure I understand your proposal, but I do think what Google does is not something trivial, straightforward or easy to automate. I remember reading an article about Google's ranking strategy. IIRC, they use the patterns of mutual linking between websites. So far, so good. But then,

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-02 Thread BGB
On 3/2/2012 8:37 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: Julian, I'm not sure I understand your proposal, but I do think what Google does is not something trivial, straightforward or easy to automate. I remember reading an article about Google's ranking strategy. IIRC, they use the patterns of mutual linking

[fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Loup Vaillant
Right now I'm a bit confused. I saw here 2 aspects of the world wide web that make it a mess. 1. The browser cannot host arbitrary processes. So instead of something simple and general, we have the current html + CSS + Javascript + webGl + whatnot… And of course a huge pile of

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Baldan
Loup, I agree that the Web is a mess. The original sin was to assume that people would only want to connect to other computers in order to retrieve a limited set of static documents. I think the reason for this was that everyone sticked to the Unix security model, where everything you run has all

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Loup Vaillant
Martin Baldan wrote: That said, I don't see why you have an issue with search engines and search services. Even on your own machine, searching files with complex properties is far from trivial. When outside, untrusted sources are involved, you need someone to tell you what is relevant, what is

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Alan Kay
Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr To: fonc@vpri.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess Martin Baldan wrote: That said, I don't see why you have an issue with search engines and search services. Even on your own machine, searching files with complex

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread David Barbour
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Martin Baldan martino...@gmail.com wrote: I think it was Julian, in message: http://vpri.org/mailman/private/fonc/2012/003131.html BTW, I'm having a hard time trying to find who said what in this mailing list. Maybe I'm missing something, I feel a bit silly,

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Baldan
Ah, thanks! :) On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mail-archive.com/fonc@vpri.org/ ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Casey Ransberger
-vaillant.fr *To:* fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess Martin Baldan wrote: That said, I don't see why you have an issue with search engines and search services. Even on your own machine, searching files with complex properties

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Max Orhai
that intertwingularity! One way to handle this requirement is via protection mechanisms that real objects can supply. Cheers, Alan -- *From:* Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr *To:* fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Sorting

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Julian Leviston
Right you are. Centralised search seems a bit silly to me. Take object orientedism and apply it to search and you get a thing where each node searches itself when asked... apply this to a local-focussed topology (ie spider web serch out) and utilise intelligent caching (so search the localised