Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Martin Baldan
David, Thanks for the link. Indeed, now I see how to run eval with .l example files. There are also .k files, which I don't know how they differ from those, except that .k files are called with ./eval filename.k while .l files are called with ./eval repl.l filename.l where filename is the name

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 27 February 2012 14:01, Martin Baldan martino...@gmail.com wrote: I still don't know how to go from here to a Frank-like GUI. I'm reading other replies which seem to point that way. All tips are welcome ;) And indeed, maybe any discoveries could be written up at one of the Wikis:

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Julian I should probably comment on this, since it seems that the STEPS reports haven't made it clear enough. STEPS is a science experiment not an engineering project. It is not at all about making and distributing an operating system etc., but about trying to investigate the tradeoffs

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Steve Wart
Just to zero in on one idea here Anyway I digress... have you had a look at this file?: http://piumarta.com/software/maru/maru-2.1/test-pepsi.l Just read the whole thing - I found it fairly interesting :) He's build pepsi on maru there... that's pretty fascinating, right? Built a micro

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread David Harris
Alan --- I appreciate both you explanation and what you are doing. Of course jealousy comes into it, because you guys appear to be having a lot of fun mixed in with your hard work, and I would love to part of that. I know where I would be breaking down the doors if I was starting a masters or

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Tony Garnock-Jones
Hi Alan, On 27 February 2012 11:32, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: [...] a better constraint system. [...] This has led us to start putting constraint engines into STEPS, thinking about how to automatically organize various solvers, what kinds of POLs would be nice to make constraint

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread BGB
On 2/27/2012 10:30 AM, Steve Wart wrote: Just to zero in on one idea here Anyway I digress... have you had a look at this file?: http://piumarta.com/software/maru/maru-2.1/test-pepsi.l Just read the whole thing - I found it fairly interesting :) He's build pepsi on maru

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Tony Yes, I've seen it. As Gerry says, it is an extension of Guy Steele's thesis. When I read this, I wished for a more interesting, comprehensive and wider-ranging and -scaling example to help think with. One reason to put up with some of the problems of defining things using

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread David Girle
I am interested in the embedded uses of Maru, so I cannot comment on how to get from here to a Frank-like GUI. I have no idea how many others on this list are interested in the Internet of Things (IoT), but I expect parts of Frank will be useful in that space. Maybe 5kLOC will bring up a

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread BGB
On 2/27/2012 10:31 AM, David Harris wrote: Alan --- I appreciate both you explanation and what you are doing. Of course jealousy comes into it, because you guys appear to be having a lot of fun mixed in with your hard work, and I would love to part of that. I know where I would be breaking

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread BGB
On 2/27/2012 1:27 PM, David Girle wrote: I am interested in the embedded uses of Maru, so I cannot comment on how to get from here to a Frank-like GUI. I have no idea how many others on this list are interested in the Internet of Things (IoT), but I expect parts of Frank will be useful in that

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Tony I like what the BOOM/BLOOM people are doing quite a bit. Their version of Datalog + Time is definitely in accord with lots of our prejudices ... Cheers, Alan From: Tony Garnock-Jones tonygarnockjo...@gmail.com To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com Cc:

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Julian Leviston
Structural optimisation is not compression. Lurk more. Julian On 28/02/2012, at 3:38 PM, BGB wrote: granted, I remain a little skeptical. I think there is a bit of a difference though between, say, a log table, and a typical piece of software. a log table is, essentially, almost pure

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread BGB
On 2/27/2012 10:08 PM, Julian Leviston wrote: Structural optimisation is not compression. Lurk more. probably will drop this, as arguing about all this is likely pointless and counter-productive. but, is there any particular reason for why similar rules and restrictions wouldn't apply?