Re: [fonc] how to profile applications that use jolt?

2009-05-26 Thread Reuben Thomas
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Ingo Jaeckel wrote: i would like to profile my application with valgrind, gprof or a similiar tool. unfortunately, valgrind seems to have problems with the runtime code generation that is done in our application with jolt: Valgrind doesn't play nicely with libgc, which

Re: [fonc] Reading Maxwell's Equations

2010-02-28 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 27 February 2010 08:08, Dan Amelang daniel.amel...@gmail.com wrote: (Regarding your puzzling over Alan's views, though, you might want to try emailing him directly. After you've done due diligence reading up on the subject, of course.) Although it would be of far greater value if such an

Re: [fonc] Reading Maxwell's Equations

2010-02-28 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 26 February 2010 23:15, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com wrote: These three physical coupling issues (block-structured, procedural message passing; manual memory management; manual concurrency) are things the average programmer should never have to touch, I don't remember seeing block

Re: [fonc] Reading Maxwell's Equations

2010-02-28 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 28 February 2010 17:53, Andrey Fedorov anfedo...@gmail.com wrote: Considering the ambition of the project relative to its resources, I think it's reasonable for STEPS to keep a low profile and spend less effort on educating than one might like. A software research project that does not

Re: [fonc] Reading Maxwell's Equations

2010-02-28 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 28 February 2010 22:16, Dan Amelang daniel.amel...@gmail.com wrote: (standard disclaimer: I don't represent the official stance of VPRI or Alan Kay) On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Reuben Thomas r...@sc3d.org wrote: and the projects directly linked to on the Our work page did

Re: [fonc] Reading Maxwell's Equations

2010-02-28 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 28 February 2010 22:38, Dan Amelang daniel.amel...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Reuben Thomas r...@sc3d.org wrote: I think it's scandalous that a publically-funded non-secret project does not have far stricter requirements for public engagement than are apparent here

[fonc] Public archives?

2010-05-10 Thread Reuben Thomas
Hi, Is there some reason why the archives could not be public? I wanted to point out the extremely interesting pointers that have come up recently to some friends, but I'm left with the annoying choice between copying and pasting all the stuff myself, or requiring them to subscribe in order to

Re: [fonc] goals (beyond the pleasure trap?)

2010-07-14 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 14 July 2010 10:49, Antoine van Gelder anto...@g7.org.za wrote: Questions such as how do we define a downward trajectory? or which direction is simple in? or even how can we even possibly hope to measure simple?! There is nothing hard about simplification per se. I don't think I've made a

Re: [fonc] goals

2010-07-14 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 14 July 2010 00:01, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com wrote: [1] http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kjt/techreps/pdf/TR141.pdf  FOR FUN: Where is the bug here?  The authors claim they are measuring the *economic* expressiveness of languages. I think I don't really follow you here (you seem in a

[fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Reuben Thomas
I started reading with interest the October 2010 STEPS Progress Report, then as soon as I got to the first screenshot, was overcome by a familiar feeling of depression: I strongly suspected, and quickly confirmed, that there was no code I could try. We've been over this ground in the past, and

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-19 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 19 December 2010 02:14, Steve Taylor s...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Reuben Thomas wrote: 1. You prefer to release only polished artefacts. This is just egotistical. Demanding that people show you their work before it's ready can come across as pretty egotistical too. I already said I'm

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 20 December 2010 13:42, Brian Gilman brian.gil...@gmail.com wrote: Just because you believe that Release early, release often is the best release strategy, doesn't mean that everyone at VPRI does. I really don't understand comments like this. Fairly obviously I know that not everyone at

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Reuben Thomas
2010/12/20 Murat Girgin gir...@gmail.com: Perhaps someone from VPRI should comment and explain their reasons of not releasing much, and certainly not often. They did comment last time I raised the same question, so you can check the archives. If they are of the same mind now, there's little

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 20 December 2010 22:38, Ross Kendle ross.ken...@gmail.com wrote: I value the opportunity to engage with the members of the VPRI team through this list. And how much engagement do you get? Not a lot, if you look at the number of posts by VPRI members to this list, though what little does

Re: [fonc] The Elements of Computing Systems

2011-01-07 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 5 January 2011 16:43, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: Computing -- like natural science -- has always been ripe for multiple discoveries of the same ideas -- and more so than natural science because our field that never quite became a field doesn't really care about its own history.

[fonc] One more year?!

2012-01-20 Thread Reuben Thomas
I have just skimmed VPRI's 2011 report; lots of interesting stuff there. The ironies of a working system that the rest of us can only view in snapshot form grow ever-stronger: the constant references to active documents are infuriating. The audience would like to see the active document, but

Re: [fonc] One more year?!

2012-01-22 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 22 January 2012 21:26, Casey Ransberger casey.obrie...@gmail.com wrote: Below. On Jan 21, 2012, at 6:26 PM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote: like, for example, if a musician wanted to pursue various musical forms. say, for example: a dubstep backbeat combined with rap-style lyrics sung using

Re: [fonc] One more year?!

2012-01-22 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 21 January 2012 23:56, Robin Barooah ro...@sublime.org wrote: Whilst I share the feeling that a lot more should have been possible, the earlier work informed or transformed almost all of what personal computing is today, and arguably, the embodiments that are closest to the original are

Re: [fonc] One more year?!

2012-01-23 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 23 January 2012 00:30, Dion Stewart dion.stew...@visi.com wrote: Is there a hard line between science and art? No. How do artists and scientist work? The same. From my experience as both, true. I wasn't talking about differences between science art, or in differences between the way that

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 7 February 2012 18:51, Hans-Martin Mosner h...@heeg.de wrote: Apart from that, I too think that the Raspberry Pi will be a nice platform for experimentation and learning, especially since the complete operating system and all other software is on exchangeable compact flash storage, which

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 8 February 2012 15:23, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Loup Why can't a Nile backend for the GPU board be written? Did I miss something? You can't drive it directly because its specs aren't public. If you use its closed-source Linux driver, you can of course use OpenGL. --

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 27 February 2012 14:01, Martin Baldan martino...@gmail.com wrote: I still don't know how to go from here to a Frank-like GUI. I'm reading other replies which seem to point that way. All tips are welcome ;) And indeed, maybe any discoveries could be written up at one of the Wikis:

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-28 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 28 February 2012 16:41, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote:  - 1 order of magnitude is gained by removing feature creep.  I agree   feature creep can be important.  But I also believe most feature   belong to a long tail, where each is needed by a minority of users.   It does matter, but if the

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-29 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 29 February 2012 23:09, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: [Recapitulation snipped] So, this gradually turned into an awful mess. But Linus went back to square one Not really, it was just a reimplementation of the same thing on cheap modern hardware. But there is still the browser and

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-29 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 1 March 2012 01:40, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 March 2012 02:46, Reuben Thomas r...@sc3d.org wrote: On 29 February 2012 23:09, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: [Recapitulation snipped] So, this gradually turned into an awful mess. But Linus went back to square one

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-01 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 1 March 2012 02:26, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: wonderful. so, in 5 years (put less if you want) i can be sure that my app can run on every machine on any browser, and i don't have to put update your browser warning. No, because in 5 years' time you will be wanting to do

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-01 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 1 March 2012 12:00, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: Now if you take things like tcp/ip. How much changes/extensions over the years since first deployment of it you seen? The only noticeable one i know of is introduction of ipv6. Yes, but you can say the same of HTTP. You're

Re: [fonc] Chrome Penetration

2012-03-01 Thread Reuben Thomas
On Mar 1, 2012 4:11 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: My friend Peter Norvig is the Director of Research at Google. I told him that I had heard of an astounding jump in the penetration of Chrome. He says the best numbers they have at present is that Chrome is 20% to 30% penetrated ...

Re: [fonc] Quiet and light weight devices

2012-04-21 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 21 April 2012 21:57, Andre van Delft andre.vande...@gmail.com wrote: TechCrunch has an interview with Linus Torvalds. He uses a MacBook Air (iOS, BTW): Running iOS on a MacBook? For real? I can't find anything about doing that. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org

Re: [fonc] How it is

2012-10-02 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 2 October 2012 16:21, John Pratt jpra...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, Alan Kay is too polite to say what we all know to be the case, which is that things are far inferior to where they could have been if people had listened to what he was saying in the 1970's. He's also not very good at

Re: [fonc] A META-II for C that fits in a half a sheet of paper

2012-11-22 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 22 November 2012 07:54, Long Nguyen cgb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I was very impressed with Val Schorre's META-II paper that Dr. Kay gave me to read, A paper which, as far as I can tell, one still has to pay the ACM to read. Sigh. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-06 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 6 April 2013 18:09, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 12:08:35PM -0500, John Carlson wrote: The Lord will return like a thief in the night: http://bible.cc/1_thessalonians/5-2.htm Is this predictable? Is there more than one return? Jews believe in one

Re: [fonc] Task management in a world without apps.

2013-10-31 Thread Reuben Thomas
n 31 October 2013 17:37, Chris Warburton chriswa...@googlemail.com wrote: …many filesystems have provided metadata facilities over the years, but these have all hit limits which end up being worked around by storing metadata in files, making the FS unnecessarily complex. ReiserFS, from at

Re: [fonc] Stephen Wolfram on the Wolfram Language

2014-09-24 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 24 September 2014 23:20, Tim Olson tim_ol...@att.net wrote: Interesting talk by Stephen Wolfram at the Strange Loop conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCWdsrVcBM He goes in the direction of creating a “big” language, rather than a small kernel that can be built upon,