Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-14 Thread Brown, John Mickey
From: Jeff Gonis jeff.go...@gmail.commailto:jeff.go...@gmail.com To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.commailto:alan.n...@yahoo.com Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.orgmailto:fonc@vpri.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread Thiago Silva
: Jeff Gonis jeff.go...@gmail.com To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented I see no one has taken Alan's bait and asked the million

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:33:04AM -0700, Jeff Gonis wrote: I see no one has taken Alan's bait and asked the million dollar question: if you decided that messaging is no longer the right path for scaling, what approach are you currently using? Classical computation doesn't allow storing

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread Alan Kay
...@leitl.org To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:33:04AM -0700, Jeff Gonis wrote: I see no one has taken Alan's bait and asked the million dollar

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread Alan Kay
, Alan From: Jeff Gonis jeff.go...@gmail.com To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented I see no one

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread David Harris
:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Hello, as I was thinking over these problems today, here are some initial thoughts, just to get the conversation going... The first time I read about the Method Finder and Ted's memo, I

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread Rusty Mellinger
...@telus.net To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented This sounds suspiciously like Unit Testing, which is basically When I say this, you should

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread John Carlson
-- *From:* Thiago Silva tsi...@sourcecraft.info tsi...@sourcecraft.info *To:* fonc fonc@vpri.org fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Hello, as I was thinking over these problems

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread Barry Jay
*From:* Thiago Silva tsi...@sourcecraft.info mailto:tsi...@sourcecraft.info *To:* fonc fonc@vpri.org mailto:fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread John Carlson
Silva tsi...@sourcecraft.info tsi...@sourcecraft.info *To:* fonc fonc@vpri.org fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Hello, as I was thinking over these problems today, here are some initial thoughts

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-13 Thread Alan Kay
, 2013 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Hello, as I was thinking over these problems today, here are some initial thoughts, just to get the conversation going... The first time I read about the Method Finder and Ted's memo, I tried to grasp the broader

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Loup I think how this happened has already been described in The Early History of Smalltalk.  But In the Fall of 1966, Sketchpad was what got me started thinking about representing concepts as whole things. Simula, a week later, provided a glimpse of how one could deal with issues

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Brown, John Mickey
[mailto:fonc-boun...@vpri.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:23 AM To: Fundamentals of New Computing Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Hi Loup I think how this happened has already been described in The Early History of Smalltalk

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Loup Vaillant
Alan Kay a écrit : Hi Loup I think how this happened has already been described in The Early History of Smalltalk. But [Incredibly detailed and thoughtful response] Whoa. Thank you. Loup ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi! On 02/12/2013 04:15 PM, Loup Vaillant wrote: This question was prompted by a quote by Joe Armstrong about OOP[1]. Sidenote, the article Joe wrote on OO which I subsequently bashed: http://goran.krampe.se/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/ ...but I met him later and he knows OO quite well these

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
Alan Kay wrote: A little more history ... The first Smalltalk (-72) was modern (as used below), and similar to Erlang in several ways -- for example, messages were received with structure and pattern matching, etc. The language was extended using the same mechanisms ... Alan, As I recall,

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Alan Kay
: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Independently of the originally-directed historical intent, I'll pose my own quick perspective. Perhaps a contrast with Steve Yegge's Kingdom of Nouns essay would help: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Alan Kay
Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Alan Kay wrote: A little more history ... The first Smalltalk (-72) was modern (as used below

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
11:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented Alan Kay wrote: A little more history ... The first Smalltalk (-72) was modern (as used below), and similar to Erlang in several ways -- for example, messages were received

Re: [fonc] Terminology: Object Oriented vs Message Oriented

2013-02-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
John Carlson wrote: Is there a computer language (yes I realize games do this) that work like human languages? With features like misdirection, misinterpretation, volume, persuasion? Can we come up with a social language for computers? No, I'm not talking lojban, I'm talking something