Re: fonts group in comps clean up proposal

[Akira TAGOH]

Thanks Parag. I'll move tabish-eeyek-fonts to optional then.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Parag Nemade  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:59 AM Akira TAGOH  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There might seems some extra font packages being installed by default.
>> I rewrote a script to generate the default font table [1] to estimate
>> with more accurate way and checked fonts group with it.
>>
>> Here is the list of font packages not used for any languages as a
>> default font. if no particular reasons to keep it in default, I'll
>> propose to move them to optional. please comment if you have. and
>> maybe good to keep the reason as a comment in comps perhaps.
>>
>> aajohan-comfortaa-fonts (from commit log; moved to default because of
>> design-suite)
>> abattis-cantarell-fonts (default font in GNOME)
>> google-noto-emoji-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-lisu-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-mandaic-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-meetei-mayek-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-tagalog-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-tai-tham-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-tai-viet-fonts
>> julietaula-montserrat-fonts (from commit log; moved to default because
>> of design-suite)
>> liberation-mono-fonts
>> liberation-sans-fonts
>> liberation-serif-fonts
>> paratype-pt-sans-fonts
>> sil-mingzat-fonts (moved to default for Lapcha script but no orth in
>> fontconfig. need this?)
>
>
>>
>> tabish-eeyek-fonts (moved to default for Meitei but not satisfying
>> coverage for mni. need this?)
>
>
> I think we got some mismatch here. The mni language uses 2 scripts Bengali
> and Meetei Mayek. We have fontconfig orth file for mni using Bengali only as
> its preferred by Government. So, ideally any Bengali font should work for
> mni language. The tabish-eeyek-fonts is based on Meetei Mayek script but we
> have no covering orth file. Let's move this font to optional fonts group.
>
> Regards,
> Parag.
>
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Re: fonts group in comps clean up proposal

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le 2018-05-14 10:04, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :

Le 2018-05-12 09:52, Akira TAGOH a écrit :

Thanks for the feedback.

Apparently the default font for Russian is DejaVu at this moment, even
though all of fonts including optional is installed. so if
paratype-pt-sans-fonts is better, good to change the default. let me
ask.
Aside from that, do we need to keep this in default no matter what the
font the community prefer as their default font?


If people prefer it, default in the locale groups associated with
Russia, certainly. Default for everyone? No unless Russians say they
hate DejaVu cyrillic (I don't think so, but that's their scripts)


BTW I'm not quite sure the Cyrillic coverage of DejaVu is as extensive. 
Sufficient to write Russian and Ukrainian, certainly, sufficient for 
minority languages? There is quite a mosaic of people in Siberia and the 
Caucasus.


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Re: fonts group in comps clean up proposal

[Akira TAGOH]

Thanks for the feedback.

Apparently the default font for Russian is DejaVu at this moment, even
though all of fonts including optional is installed. so if
paratype-pt-sans-fonts is better, good to change the default. let me
ask.
Aside from that, do we need to keep this in default no matter what the
font the community prefer as their default font?

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Nicolas Mailhot
 wrote:
> Le 2018-05-10 07:29, Akira TAGOH a écrit :
> Hi Akira
>
> Thanks for the clean up!
>
>> paratype-pt-sans-fonts
>
>
> This one is tricky, it was commissioned by the Russian government because of
> insatisfaction on the quality of Cyrillic glyphs in common fonts. Technical
> warts aside, I'd expect it to have the most correct glyph shapes for Russian
> cyrillic, declining every Cyrillic symbol in use in the Russian Federation
> (including non-standardized stuff in PUA:( used to write minority
> non-Russian languages in the country).
>
> But I have not got the faintest idea if actual Russian users prefer it over
> less correct but more common fonts like Noto. You should ask Russian Fedora
> groups/Russian Fedora ambassadors about it.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: fonts group in comps clean up proposal

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le 2018-05-10 07:29, Akira TAGOH a écrit :
Hi Akira

Thanks for the clean up!


paratype-pt-sans-fonts


This one is tricky, it was commissioned by the Russian government 
because of insatisfaction on the quality of Cyrillic glyphs in common 
fonts. Technical warts aside, I'd expect it to have the most correct 
glyph shapes for Russian cyrillic, declining every Cyrillic symbol in 
use in the Russian Federation (including non-standardized stuff in PUA:( 
used to write minority non-Russian languages in the country).


But I have not got the faintest idea if actual Russian users prefer it 
over less correct but more common fonts like Noto. You should ask 
Russian Fedora groups/Russian Fedora ambassadors about it.


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Re: fonts group in comps clean up proposal

[Akira TAGOH]

liberation-fonts is pulled in by the packages requriing it - e.g. LibO
has weak deps if available otherwise R: to them - in that sense we
don't need it by default. if it is useful for anything else, including
other spins, we could keep it in default though.

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 6:29 PM, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej]
 wrote:
> Hey Akira,
>
> isn't the google-noto-emoji-fonts used for displaying of emojis in F28 from
> now on? Or is some different font used for it? (I know I've read some
> release note for F28 saying something about better emoji support.)
>
> Also, I would say Liberation fonts might be quite used by Red Hat folks
> (https://brand.redhat.com/elements/typography/), so it might be nice to keep
> it. On the other hand, I understand the point to not pollute people's
> environment unless really necessary. :)
>
> Others can be IMHO removed from default installation... ;)
>
> David Kaspar [Dee'Kej]
> Associate Software Engineer
> Brno, Czech Republic
>
> RED HAT | TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.
> Every airline in the Fortune 500 relies on Red Hat.
> Find out why at Trusted | Red Hat.
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:29 AM, Akira TAGOH  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There might seems some extra font packages being installed by default.
>> I rewrote a script to generate the default font table [1] to estimate
>> with more accurate way and checked fonts group with it.
>>
>> Here is the list of font packages not used for any languages as a
>> default font. if no particular reasons to keep it in default, I'll
>> propose to move them to optional. please comment if you have. and
>> maybe good to keep the reason as a comment in comps perhaps.
>>
>> aajohan-comfortaa-fonts (from commit log; moved to default because of
>> design-suite)
>> abattis-cantarell-fonts (default font in GNOME)
>> google-noto-emoji-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-lisu-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-mandaic-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-meetei-mayek-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-tagalog-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-tai-tham-fonts
>> google-noto-sans-tai-viet-fonts
>> julietaula-montserrat-fonts (from commit log; moved to default because
>> of design-suite)
>> liberation-mono-fonts
>> liberation-sans-fonts
>> liberation-serif-fonts
>> paratype-pt-sans-fonts
>> sil-mingzat-fonts (moved to default for Lapcha script but no orth in
>> fontconfig. need this?)
>> tabish-eeyek-fonts (moved to default for Meitei but not satisfying
>> coverage for mni. need this?)
>>
>> [1] https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f28-defaultfonts-mock.html
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Re: fonts group in comps clean up proposal

[David Kaspar [Dee'Kej]]

Hey Akira,

isn't the google-noto-emoji-fonts used for displaying of emojis in F28 from
now on? Or is some different font used for it? (I know I've read some
release note for F28 saying something about better emoji support.)

Also, I would say Liberation fonts might be quite used by Red Hat folks (
https://brand.redhat.com/elements/typography/), so it might be nice to keep
it. On the other hand, I understand the point to not pollute people's
environment unless really necessary. :)

Others can be IMHO removed from default installation... ;)

David Kaspar [Dee'Kej]
*Associate Software Engineer*
*Brno, Czech Republic*

RED HAT | TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.
Every airline in the Fortune 500 relies on Red Hat.
Find out why at Trusted | Red Hat .

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:29 AM, Akira TAGOH  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There might seems some extra font packages being installed by default.
> I rewrote a script to generate the default font table [1] to estimate
> with more accurate way and checked fonts group with it.
>
> Here is the list of font packages not used for any languages as a
> default font. if no particular reasons to keep it in default, I'll
> propose to move them to optional. please comment if you have. and
> maybe good to keep the reason as a comment in comps perhaps.
>
> aajohan-comfortaa-fonts (from commit log; moved to default because of
> design-suite)
> abattis-cantarell-fonts (default font in GNOME)
> google-noto-emoji-fonts
> google-noto-sans-lisu-fonts
> google-noto-sans-mandaic-fonts
> google-noto-sans-meetei-mayek-fonts
> google-noto-sans-tagalog-fonts
> google-noto-sans-tai-tham-fonts
> google-noto-sans-tai-viet-fonts
> julietaula-montserrat-fonts (from commit log; moved to default because
> of design-suite)
> liberation-mono-fonts
> liberation-sans-fonts
> liberation-serif-fonts
> paratype-pt-sans-fonts
> sil-mingzat-fonts (moved to default for Lapcha script but no orth in
> fontconfig. need this?)
> tabish-eeyek-fonts (moved to default for Meitei but not satisfying
> coverage for mni. need this?)
>
> [1] https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f28-defaultfonts-mock.html
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