Jeremias Maerki wrote:
I'm for having two. Takers?
On 21.01.2003 00:12:58 Peter B. West wrote:
Next question: should we go with 1 or get another nomination?
Ok. I'll put my hat in the ring.
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, I think that it will
be better to have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload,
etc.
So, they want 2 people, I believe it's not a problem for us to elect them,
let's start - candidates?
Jeremias,
+1
Next question: should we go with 1 or get another nomination?
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this into 0.20.5,
I just tested your patch and it looks good.
I'm inclined to commit the patch. Other opinions?
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attempts at humour
are read as such. I'll see if I can squeeze one out.
,; :) ;,
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, but it
really wouldn't bother me to offend you at all, Peter. VVBG :-)
Touche'.
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arguing for that, but merely pointing out that it seems like that is
where reusing the FO tree leads us.
There's one in alt.design if you ever need it.
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for the folding algorithm.
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rendering
is still very much in a state of flux. It may be less painful to
retro-fit when we have a comprehensive working renderer, keeping this
possibility in mind as we go.
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, and the Apache colours were too garish.
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-oh-pee instead.
Heresy! Victor, the stigma that once attached to consulting a speech
therapist has almost vanished now. I'm sure something can be done, and
our best wishes will go with you.
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Christian Geisert wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Since I've made the checkstyle.cfg file an integral part of our style
guide I have to bring this up before changing:
I'd like to add a line checkstyle.ignore.braces = yes. This enables
one line ifs like the following
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Or if checkstyle could also check indentation...
*That* would be extremely useful, and would solve the problem. Maybe a
Python preprocessor Joke, folk.
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J.Pietschmann wrote:
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if (isEnabled()) {
return true;
}
is absurd.
Not necessarily. I it *much* easier to add a
System.out.println() to this than to either
if (isEnabled())return true;
or
if (isEnabled())
return true;
Agreed.
If you are debugging
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And it adds just a spice of danger.
I can live well without this.
Spoilsport.
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there anarchists.
Just my 2 cents.
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() someOtherVerboseCondition())
return true;
and also
if (isEnabled)
doOneLiner();
else
return false;
which is easier to read than
if (isEnabled()) doOoneLiner();
else return false;
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documentation;
3) A historical artefact, which will soon go away.
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into forrest?
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are, in principle,
incompatible with the Forrest approach, and so incorporating them in
subsets will always have to be done this way. I imagine, also, that the
use of javascript URLs as hrefs presents great difficulties.
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Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Hi Peter
On 20.12.2002 00:30:13 Peter B. West wrote:
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
:-) Ok, you're sentenced to implement the same functionality in the
trunk. I'm -0 for the inclusion in the branch as it sends the wrong
message IMO. But I'm looking forward to seeing bidi
live in hope.)
At least...
This is a good crowd.
+1 :-)
+1
Regards,
Arved Sandstrom
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is: should I
commit it to the branch codebase? I'm inclining to implement it in a clean way
in the trunk instead of extending/patching the branch.
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Fop-cvsers,
Sorry abou the huge single commit. Has the commit mail behaviour
changed recently? I though that commits of new files did not list the
contents.
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them up in a wider forum.
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Peter did ask...
Tony,
Thanks for the response. I must say, though, that had the product been
written in Java, I would have been asking the same question as Arved.
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I'm still floundering around here, but when I found 'catalog' in
.../documentation/resources/schema, and the dtd in .../schema/dtd, I
began to see a ray of light. It seems to me that such a setup should be
used for all of the DOCTYPE delcarations
Fopsters,
Today (it's Thursday, my time) we hear what Tony Graham has been up to.
I don't suppose anyone is in Baltimore?
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the validation of
foreign elements should be feasible. The semantics of such objects is
always going to be more of a problem.
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J.Pietschmann wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
...the intention of the spec would be realised by laying out 0 of the
repeatable-p-m-refs thin, out of the available range of 0-100, then
laying out 1 of the thick r-p-m-refs.
Interesting and useful interpretation. The problem is, how to
implement
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the alt.design files. If you would rather get the basics sorted
out yourself, let me know.
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Keiron, Victor,
I started to make some changes in the alt.design xdocs directory, and
ran into problems immediately. Forrest didn't like something in one of
the files, but when I went to have a look at the directory, I began to
find CVS discrepancies. This morning I did
/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1780417
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1 of the thick r-p-m-refs.
This would work in the same way for the other case you mention -
constrained height and keep-together table rows.
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tend to view the FO tree as a
read-only data source for the layout. manaaged by the Fo objects.
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Keiron Liddle wrote:
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 03:47, Peter B. West wrote:
If anyone else want to have a look I would be interested in the
results. I am particularly interested in memory usage, which, prima
facie, looks good. 9 megs total memory usage for 51 pages of FO
Victor,
I'm not sure what your intention is, but from the wording of the commit
comment, I think I may have mislead you with a previous posting. 4f was
the superseded version. (Yes, I know, I should have left 4g.) fop4.xsd
contained the latest version (4g).
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will be in the February issue of Java Developer's Journal, barring any catastrophes). I could run the tests over here, in theory. Maybe we should discuss the specifics of a test in private?
Rhett,
Please do.
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Keiron Liddle wrote:
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 03:47, Peter B. West wrote:
Rhett,
Nerver having used it, I am not aware of its capabilities. As I don't
develop in a Microsoft environment, and have no access to MS Visual C++,
and I don't run in a Solaris environment, my options for trying
developer
community to move them along and to explain their merits. Do we have the
human resources to afford that? And do we want to do that? If not, how
do we decide how to make a better FO processor. These are the questions
we had better discuss, the sooner the better.
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Victor Mote wrote:
If no one objects, I would like to move this information to fop.xsd let
CVS handle the revision issues. The viewcvs program allows us to append a
revision number, so we could even branch tag this to keep it tied to
releases.
Sounds OK.
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Keiron Liddle wrote:
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 13:01, Peter B. West wrote:
There is an implication in what you are saying that you do have the
direction forward for the FO processor internalised, so to speak,
and
that a complete FO processor is, as Christian says, just a matter of
time. I
of these for the
comparisons.
Peter
Rhett Aultman wrote:
Hmmm...maybe we could use a JVM profiler like jProf (http://starship.python.net/crew/garyp/jProf.html) for this?
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Peter B. West wrote:
Herewith the preliminary results of running
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before/after free : 443344
Diff before/GC free : 5571488
Diff after/GC free : 5128144
cg() freed : 5128144
18.02s real11.71s user 0.24s system
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Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
Herewith the preliminary results of running the alt.design FO tree
build against the 51 page test document supplied by Bertrand.
What is included in this measurement? I presume it's fo parsing,
userconfig processing and fo tree buiding?
Yes
, and I will
fix the encoding at the same time, unless there is a more urgent need.
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J.Pietschmann wrote:
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
Considering that our new chief executive is Greg Stein, I'd be
surprised if
this isn't on the horizon. :-)
Gosh! Can we have it before Christmas? :-)
2003?
Good to see you back, Joerg. Good holiday?
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the cracks. Some such approach may be a
good idea, but I would be loathe to call it EventHandler. The whole
point about pull parsing is to move away from event handling. I would
think of these more as methods with parameters like optional, single
or multiple, any.
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will want to be careful to get the new files tagged
with the maintenance branch tag.
I don't think anyone here knows all of the implications of hacking the
repository. Safety first.
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possibility. especially
for directories are not going to be merged back into the HEAD and whose
content is largely the same, is to merge them out from HEAD into maint.
Not having followed the details of the proposed changes very closely,
I would have to look at individual cases.
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BTW: Anybody around with experience in CVS surgery???
Not really, but what do you want to do?
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those values. Alt-Design takes the second view.
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so that i will work on them first.how
about keep properties?
Sri,
You have picked just about the toughest layout problem of them all. If
you want to work on this one, you have to get involved in redesign, with
either the HEAD line or alt.design.
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Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Moving around directories on the server so we don't lose history on
files. See my proposal on directory structure reorganization, ex.
moveing src/org to src/java/org.
On 27.11.2002 16:19:26 Peter B. West wrote:
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
BTW: Anybody around with experience
W. Eliot Kimber wrote:
Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
I have debugging my FO tree building be running it against various
example fo files. Of the three I have used so far, I have found
problems with two.
./docs/examples/pagination/allregions.fo has the problem that I
Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
Why is it easier for developers to use? Is it because the API is less
complex or more easily understood? Not really. As you point out, the
SAX API is not all that complex. The problem is that the processing
model of SUX is completely inverted
as
it is to answer the mailing lists, we might be able to eliminate some of the
mailing list traffic.
And if it is not automatic, an explanation of the easier than before
manual process would be useful.
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Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
I don't believe is is only a matter of style. I think the detrimental
effects of push for general programming are glaringly obvious.
It's just event-driven processing, how it could be detrimental?
I may have referred to Dijkstra (R.I.P.) here
onto a push model by implementing what amounts to a specialized buffer of the pushed data that accepts pull queries...no?
Which is what I have done.
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the layout is not susceptible to the same
simple solution.. I do have a number of ideas to contribute, and when
the web site is restored I will be referring to some of the notes I have
made and posted there.
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, the text uses orange as a colour, which it ain't, at
least as far as XSL-FO is concerned. It is a system-color(), however,
as far as FOP is concerned.
I assume that these errors are not deliberate, and that I should clean
them up as I go.
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the layout tree, and moves chunks as they are completed into the
area tree.
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...
Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
taking a very isolated path. My motivation can be summed up in the
slogan SAX SUX. I couldn't understand why anyone would persist with
it for any complex tasks, e.g. FOP.
Actually I cannot say I fully agree with this, because I don't
Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
I like pull parsing model in general, but how do you manage with not
such strict content model as fo:root have, e.g. fo:block with
(#PCDATA|%inline;|%block;)* ?
How about:
FoXMLEvent ev = expectStartElement
Keiron Liddle wrote:
Hi Developers,
I propose we have a vote for Victor to become a committer.
+1
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ev = expectCharacters();
return ev;
}
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This may fix some problems that have been attributed to Xalan.
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Keiron Liddle wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 15:07, Peter B. West wrote:
If possible I think we should try to avoid making multiple passes since
it can lead to loops etc. The table layout auto will need at least two
passes but this should be possible using the layout managers.
Is that a should
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know when the end of a page has been reached. A shortcut
to an understanding of such things would be very useful.
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. . .
I might be interested too, depending on where and when. I am subscribed to
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finish the creation of the FO objects first. I will now post them this
weekend.
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of that,
OS generates vast amounts of high-quality software. Go figure.
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On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 11:21, Peter B. West wrote:
I like it is the acid test; for me, of all code, but in particular for
open source. Open source may be driven by many things, but money is not
one of them. Pleasure is, and is high on the list. In spite of that,
OS
gave me much food for thought. So I'll rephrase the question: what, if
anything, is the cost of using the interface instead of the implementation?
Peter
Peter B. West wrote:
Jeremias,
I have no objection at all, as long as it costs nothing. It is free,
isn't it?
Jeremias Maerki wrote
Oleg,
Thanks for that. I have noticed that there are quite a few people who
do respond on dev-user, in addition to yourself and Keiron, which is why
I wondered whether Joerg was making a specific request. I eventually
concluded he was not.
Peter
Oleg Tkachenko wrote:
Peter B. West wrote
Rhett Aultman wrote:
... as soon as I'm done taking the GRE tomorrow (wishes of luck appreciated)...
Consider them wished.
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wrote:
I'm on vacancy from tomorrow on for a bit more than three
weeks, so I can't do this myself.
Who will take care of the unanswered questions while I'm
offline? Oleg?
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+1
Keiron Liddle wrote:
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I suggest we have a vote for Oleg to be a committer. If Oleg accepts
then he can get on with making FOP great!
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Provided, of course, that he controls his CRCRs.
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- sexy, even, now that you mention
it - though I doubt their sex appeal was a strong motive for creating
them. The raw documentation doesn't really give much of a feel for
their potential.
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- but I'll
remember the offer.
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of HashMaps?
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this habit in a number of places and not only by Keiron! I've made it a
habit to follow this pattern
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will happily go into the
repository. A couple of months back (so it seems) I had occasion to
strip CRs out of a file which had been committed late one night from a
Windows system.
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check-program (in Java) that
analyzes files on their line endings using regex-matching. I think, I'll
expand that to a little project including command-line app, ant-task etc.
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investigation. As I have said, I have recently
seen spurious CRLF endings in checked-out files.
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in the project and that wouldn't be good.
Between all committers. I meant that closer liaison between committers
is a good thing. All committers then have a more lively appreciation of
what the others are up to.
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