Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Keiron Liddle wrote: Personally I would like to see some sort of rotation (assuming that there will always be 1 or 2). For example every 6 months. Why? So the PMC becomes something that is better known and diverse than the mystery that it currently seems to be. This is an excellent idea. Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ Lord, to whom shall we go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Deperated volunteers? I can do without, I was just taking responsibility because nobody wanted to take the first step. :-) I really don't know. If you look here:http://xml.apache.org/management.html. The PMC elects new members. So in theory all we can do is provide candidates, but obviously not all of us are well known to the current PMC members. So how would the they choose? They might leave that to us. I don't know. One point I'd like to make is the following: Christian is our current release manager. Since the PMC role has a lot to do with releases, he is an obvious candidate IMO. That doesn't mean I should be the other just because I volunteered first or something like that. This is one objective point for Christian and zero for Peter and me. Common guys! I'd like to have some participation on this matter from all the committers since this an important thing. On 21.01.2003 13:38:47 Oleg Tkachenko wrote: Ok, we've got 3 desperated volunteers. Should we vote? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Jeremias, Without going back to the original posting, I suspect that the PMC does not want to have to sort out candidates. It is our job to decide on two nominations to the PMC, which the PMC intend, IIUC, to simply accept. I haven't followed the discussion beyond that, and I nominated only because we needed another nomination, and because, on reflection, it would look good on the CV. I hope this is not too crass an admission for the FOP sensibilities. I'm not sure that the comment on releases is entirely accurate. It seems to me tha the responsibilities of the PMC are much braoder than that, but I may be wrong. What I thin kis more pertinent is that the PMC meets monthly. This is presumably an on-line meeting, but using what facilities? I am on the end of a state-of-the-art 33k dialup link, and I wonder if this would cause problems. In any case, it's up to us to work out who we want our representatives on the PMC to be, and forward one or two names. That's my take on the matter. Peter Jeremias Maerki wrote: Deperated volunteers? I can do without, I was just taking responsibility because nobody wanted to take the first step. :-) I really don't know. If you look here:http://xml.apache.org/management.html. The PMC elects new members. So in theory all we can do is provide candidates, but obviously not all of us are well known to the current PMC members. So how would the they choose? They might leave that to us. I don't know. One point I'd like to make is the following: Christian is our current release manager. Since the PMC role has a lot to do with releases, he is an obvious candidate IMO. That doesn't mean I should be the other just because I volunteered first or something like that. This is one objective point for Christian and zero for Peter and me. Common guys! I'd like to have some participation on this matter from all the committers since this an important thing. On 21.01.2003 13:38:47 Oleg Tkachenko wrote: Ok, we've got 3 desperated volunteers. Should we vote? -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ Lord, to whom shall we go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Hi Peter On 22.01.2003 12:48:54 Peter B. West wrote: Without going back to the original posting, I suspect that the PMC does not want to have to sort out candidates. It is our job to decide on two nominations to the PMC, which the PMC intend, IIUC, to simply accept. I haven't followed the discussion beyond that, and I nominated only because we needed another nomination, and because, on reflection, it would look good on the CV. I hope this is not too crass an admission for the FOP sensibilities. I think you're right. The CV aspect also crossed my mind. :-) I'm not sure that the comment on releases is entirely accurate. It seems to me tha the responsibilities of the PMC are much braoder than that, but I may be wrong. That was just one aspect I wanted to emphasize. They are responsible (among other things) for the releases made by the various subprojects. That's part of what establishes the legal protection for the software made at Apache. At least, that's what I gathered from listening into the lengthy discussions held on community and other mailing lists. What I thin kis more pertinent is that the PMC meets monthly. This is presumably an on-line meeting, but using what facilities? I am on the end of a state-of-the-art 33k dialup link, and I wonder if this would cause problems. I guess I can be happy to have an 256/64 ADSL line available. I'd rip my hair out if I had to work with an 33k dialup link. :-) In any case, it's up to us to work out who we want our representatives on the PMC to be, and forward one or two names. That's my take on the matter. Yep. Let's hope the others also share their thoughts with us. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Peter B. West wrote: [..] In any case, it's up to us to work out who we want our representatives on the PMC to be, and forward one or two names. That's my take on the matter. That's how I understand it too. And to simplify the nomination I'm stepping back. +1 for Jeremias and Peter Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Common guys! I'd like to have some participation on this matter from all the committers since this an important thing. Sorry. I guess it is not a big deal to me. I'm sure it is important, I just don't understand what is required well enough to determine why A would be better than B. I can't think of anybody in this group who would represent us and our interests poorly. Christian Geisert wrote: And to simplify the nomination I'm stepping back. +1 for Jeremias and Peter Two very fine candidates. +1 Victor Mote - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Common guys! I'd like to have some participation on this matter from all the committers since this an important thing. Sorry a bit sidetracked. Personally I would like to see some sort of rotation (assuming that there will always be 1 or 2). For example every 6 months. Why? So the PMC becomes something that is better known and diverse than the mystery that it currently seems to be. Christian Geisert wrote: And to simplify the nomination I'm stepping back. +1 for Jeremias and Peter Two very fine candidates. +1 +1 also - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Keiron Liddle wrote: Personally I would like to see some sort of rotation (assuming that there will always be 1 or 2). For example every 6 months. Why? So the PMC becomes something that is better known and diverse than the mystery that it currently seems to be. Is it appropriate for PMC? If so, that's great idea. +1 for Jeremias and Peter Two very fine candidates. +1 +1 also +1 -- Oleg Tkachenko eXperanto team Multiconn Technologies, Israel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Christian Geisert wrote: +1 for Jeremias and Peter me too +1 J.Pietschmann - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
I'm for having two. Takers? On 21.01.2003 00:12:58 Peter B. West wrote: Next question: should we go with 1 or get another nomination? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm for having two. Takers? On 21.01.2003 00:12:58 Peter B. West wrote: Next question: should we go with 1 or get another nomination? Ok. I'll put my hat in the ring. Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ Lord, to whom shall we go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm for having two. Takers? Yes, two is better. I'd be happy to volunteer too. Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Hello there! Ok, we've got 3 desperated volunteers. Should we vote? -- Oleg Tkachenko eXperanto team Multiconn Technologies, Israel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Christian Geisert wrote: From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] We ask each subproject to nominate 1 (or 2) people from that project to be a part of the XML PMC. From my experience, I think that it will be better to have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload, etc. So, they want 2 people, I believe it's not a problem for us to elect them, let's start - candidates? -- Oleg Tkachenko eXperanto team Multiconn Technologies, Israel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
I'd volunteer if nobody else wants the job. On 20.01.2003 11:48:31 Oleg Tkachenko wrote: Christian Geisert wrote: From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] We ask each subproject to nominate 1 (or 2) people from that project to be a part of the XML PMC. From my experience, I think that it will be better to have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload, etc. So, they want 2 people, I believe it's not a problem for us to elect them, let's start - candidates? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'd volunteer if nobody else wants the job. On 20.01.2003 11:48:31 Oleg Tkachenko wrote: Christian Geisert wrote: From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] We ask each subproject to nominate 1 (or 2) people from that project to be a part of the XML PMC. From my experience, I think that it will be better to have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload, etc. So, they want 2 people, I believe it's not a problem for us to elect them, let's start - candidates? Jeremias, +1 Next question: should we go with 1 or get another nomination? Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ Lord, to whom shall we go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: xml.apache.org refactoring #1]
Seems like this mail didn't make it to fop-dev. Original Message Subject: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:12:53 -0800 From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings all, From our discussion last December, it seems clear to me that most of the subprojects are not interested in becoming top-level projects. It also seems clear that people are interested broad based representation in the XML PMC. I think that the best way to improve the issues related to project oversight is to have a series of small refactorings. So here's my proposal for the first refactoring: We ask each subproject to nominate 1 (or 2) people from that project to be a part of the XML PMC. From my experience, I think that it will be better to have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload, etc. I believe that both Axis (is Axis planning on taking SOAP with it) and Cocoon are in the process of creating their own PMC's. They would obviously be exempt from this. I know that we're going to have some discussion about this (lets keep it in general@) -- I encourage it -- but I've also noticed that things tend to peter out after while and nothing happens, so I want to have an endmarker. I propose to limit discussion on this proposal until next Friday Jan 24. If this proposal is still being considered on the 24th, then I'd propose that the subprojects nominate their folks by the following Friday, Jan 31. Ted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
