Re: Background images

2005-01-30 Thread Glen Mazza
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Team,
I'm going to implement background images as one of my next steps. I
found that even in 1.1 WD there's no way to scale the background image.
Should we skip that or should we define our own properties? Maybe Glen
wants to talk to the WG about that.
Jeremias Maerki
 

Pardon me, forgot to ask:  where did the background images need to be 
implemented (i.e., which FO's needed them that the spec doesn't support)?

Thanks,
Glen


Re: Background images

2005-01-30 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I didn't so much look which FOs needed background images but didn't
support them. It was rather about implementing the various properties
and the rendering part. It may still be that some FOs are not yet
properly connected (through TraitSetter) to generate background images
but if there are any they will surely come up sooner or later.

On 31.01.2005 00:15:19 Glen Mazza wrote:
 Pardon me, forgot to ask:  where did the background images need to be 
 implemented (i.e., which FO's needed them that the spec doesn't support)?


Jeremias Maerki



Background images

2005-01-20 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Team,

I'm going to implement background images as one of my next steps. I
found that even in 1.1 WD there's no way to scale the background image.
Should we skip that or should we define our own properties? Maybe Glen
wants to talk to the WG about that.

Jeremias Maerki



Re: Background images

2005-01-20 Thread The Web Maestro
On Jan 20, 2005, at 2:19 AM, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Team,
I'm going to implement background images as one of my next steps. I
found that even in 1.1 WD there's no way to scale the background image.
Should we skip that or should we define our own properties? Maybe Glen
wants to talk to the WG about that.
Jeremias Maerki
+1 for enabling this attribute/feature.
Since that's something that is oft-requested (well, considering how 
many requests we get), I think it's a good idea to implement this. 
Perhaps, since it's not part of the 1.0 or 1.1 spec (yet), it should be 
made as an extension (although i don't know how this would work since 
it's an attribute... maybe by enabling content-width  
content-height?)?

Web Maestro Clay
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Re: Background images

2005-01-20 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Team,
 
 I'm going to implement background images as one of
 my next steps. 

Good.

 I
 found that even in 1.1 WD there's no way to scale
 the background image.

Jeremias, please do another scan first of the 1.1
document--thankfully it's all in one HTML file--search
for both scale and scaling throughout to (1) make
sure that is the case (there appear to be some new
properties and even formatting objects related to
scaling), and (2) to see if there is any scaling logic
that you're contemplating that may be applicable in
other areas as well.

Next, you may wish to check the AntennaHouse and
RenderX extension element/attribute list.  There may
be something you can learn there about background
scaling, also when you send emails to the xsl-editors
list saying [insert commercial company here] already
does this, etc., it will carry more weight.


 Should we skip that or should we define our own
 properties? 

I don't care either way.  Although I don't understand
why the specification doesn't already handle
background image scaling.  Something is rotten in the
State of Denmark here--this would seem to be a common
need.


 Maybe Glen
 wants to talk to the WG about that.
 

Would be delighted.  But imaging issues are beyond my
scope, and it's about time the WG learn more about you
as well.  Please do so, also mention that you're from
FOP as well please.  (Not that you need my
permission.)

(This is gonna be great--with both of us sending
comments to the W3C, we can use a good-cop/bad-cop
technique to persuade them.  Guess which role I want
to play? ;)

Thanks,
Glen



Re: Background images

2005-01-20 Thread Jeremias Maerki

On 20.01.2005 19:37:06 Glen Mazza wrote:
 --- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Team,
  
  I'm going to implement background images as one of
  my next steps. 
 
 Good.
 
  I
  found that even in 1.1 WD there's no way to scale
  the background image.
 
 Jeremias, please do another scan first of the 1.1
 document--thankfully it's all in one HTML file--search
 for both scale and scaling throughout to (1) make
 sure that is the case (there appear to be some new
 properties and even formatting objects related to
 scaling), and (2) to see if there is any scaling logic
 that you're contemplating that may be applicable in
 other areas as well.

Thanks for the tip. The scan turned up empty. All scaling enhancements
seem to apply to external-graphic only.

 Next, you may wish to check the AntennaHouse and
 RenderX extension element/attribute list.  There may
 be something you can learn there about background
 scaling, also when you send emails to the xsl-editors
 list saying [insert commercial company here] already
 does this, etc., it will carry more weight.

I've seen the RenderX extensions. It's really surprising that RenderX
didn't manage to bring that in, yet.

  Should we skip that or should we define our own
  properties? 
 
 I don't care either way.  Although I don't understand
 why the specification doesn't already handle
 background image scaling.  Something is rotten in the
 State of Denmark here--this would seem to be a common
 need.
 
 
  Maybe Glen
  wants to talk to the WG about that.
  
 
 Would be delighted.  But imaging issues are beyond my
 scope, and it's about time the WG learn more about you
 as well.  Please do so, also mention that you're from
 FOP as well please.  (Not that you need my
 permission.)
 
 (This is gonna be great--with both of us sending
 comments to the W3C, we can use a good-cop/bad-cop
 technique to persuade them.  Guess which role I want
 to play? ;)

LOL! I'll try to write something, but I guess I have some other
priorities first. I'll probably also skip these scaling things for now.
This can be added later. My enhancement to parse the bitmap resolution
might also help a bit in the meantime.

Jeremias Maerki