Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-12-01 Thread The Web Maestro
On Nov 25, 2004, at 2:56 AM, Christian Geisert wrote:
The Web Maestro wrote:
[..]
On a similar note, I am 'contemplating' committing the xml-fop/build/ 
folder ('built' by apache-forrest-0.6). My reasoning for this is 
two-fold: 1. it contains the FOP web site (which I've spent a 
significant amount of time to re-create).
The generated website should actually be commited to the xml-site
repository (targets/fop) and the live site updated from there.
Sorry, no more time right now (hopefully I'll get some this evening)
Christian
I'm having trouble setting this up in CVS. Can you give me more info on 
how you would set this up? I've got a working COMMITTERs connection to 
CVS, but I can't seem to make it work.

Once I have it set up I'll need to figure out how to transfer from 
targets/fop/ to /www/xml.apache.org/fop/.

Web Maestro Clay
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Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-25 Thread Christian Geisert
The Web Maestro wrote:
[..]
On a similar note, I am 'contemplating' committing the xml-fop/build/ 
folder ('built' by apache-forrest-0.6). My reasoning for this is 
two-fold: 1. it contains the FOP web site (which I've spent a 
significant amount of time to re-create).
The generated website should actually be commited to the xml-site
repository (targets/fop) and the live site updated from there.
Sorry, no more time right now (hopefully I'll get some this evening)
Christian


Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-25 Thread The Web Maestro
On Nov 24, 2004, at 5:19 PM, Peter B. West wrote:
Clay,
Let me say, Clay, thank you *very*, *very* much for taking care of the 
alt-design tab.  Have I drawn your attention to the fact that I am 
*very happy* that you have taken care of this?

(I have thanked Clay personally out-of-band for his work on this.)
Peter
You are welcome, Peter. Thank you for your kind words! I am just glad 
to finally be done with that process. FWIW fop-dev, I created a 
mini-site of alt.design and put it on my home page:

http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/defoe/
(the only change, is that I skinned it, and created the few 
Forrest-specific files: forrest.properties, skinconf.xml, site.xml  
tabs.xml).

I also zipped it up:
http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/defoe.zip
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Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-24 Thread The Web Maestro
Yeah, Glen...
On Nov 23, 2004, at 8:18 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:
Clay,
I'm noticing a lot of .zips and .bak backup files in our cvs 
directories [1] -- this seems unnecessary and a bit messy for a 
version control system, as everyone who cvs checkouts or cvs 
updates is now downloading these files.  Instead of zip files, 
usually the solution is just to cvs remove the files -- they will 
automatically go into the cvs attic as a result (they are not actually 
deleted -- ViewCVS lists them as dead but they are always still 
retrievable.)

For backup files, we can always go to older versions by clicking on 
the first column in ViewCVS ([2], for an example version list).  So I 
don't think we have a need for creating any .bak files either.  If 
there is a message you wish to store with a particular version before 
moving forward, just make a *very* minor change to the file (say, move 
a character or add a blank line), and add your comment when you cvs 
commit.

Can we get these zip's and bak's removed?  Just cvs remove them -- 
get them in the attic so people aren't downloading them on a cvs 
checkout.
I actually added those, so they'd be put in the attic... I'd intended 
to remove them shortly thereafter but I've been a bit busy with... 
erm... other stuff. Thanks for the 'ping' about it!

On a similar note, I am 'contemplating' committing the xml-fop/build/ 
folder ('built' by apache-forrest-0.6). My reasoning for this is 
two-fold: 1. it contains the FOP web site (which I've spent a 
significant amount of time to re-create).
2. it can serve as off-line of documentation (for those installations 
not connected to the internet).

We may not need to do this since it *is* on minotaur.apache.org...
BTW -- thanks *very* much for taking care of the alt-design tab, I 
greatly appreciate the effort in simplifying our site.
Glad to be of service. If there are other things which anyone thinks 
can improve the site (e.g. consolidating pages, removing 
moved/incorrect/inappropriate content, etc.) please let me know.

Thanks,
Glen
[1] http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-fop/
[2] 
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-fop/build.bat?rev=1.22view=log
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Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-24 Thread The Web Maestro
On Nov 24, 2004, at 11:52 AM, The Web Maestro wrote:
On a similar note, I am 'contemplating' committing the xml-fop/build/ 
folder ('built' by apache-forrest-0.6). My reasoning for this is 
two-fold:
1. it contains the FOP web site (which I've spent a significant amount 
of time to re-create).
2. it can serve as off-line of documentation (for those installations 
not connected to the internet).

We may not need to do this since it *is* on minotaur.apache.org...
I meant to ask FOP-DEV... what are your thoughts on my COMMITTING 
xml-fop's Forrest-generated build/ directory structure?

Web Maestro Clay
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- HH The 14th Dalai Lama of Tibet


Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-24 Thread Glen Mazza
--- The Web Maestro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Nov 24, 2004, at 11:52 AM, The Web Maestro wrote:
  On a similar note, I am 'contemplating' committing
 the xml-fop/build/ 
  folder ('built' by apache-forrest-0.6). My
 reasoning for this is 
  two-fold:
  1. it contains the FOP web site (which I've spent
 a significant amount 
  of time to re-create).
  2. it can serve as off-line of documentation (for
 those installations 
  not connected to the internet).
 
  We may not need to do this since it *is* on
 minotaur.apache.org...
 
 I meant to ask FOP-DEV... what are your thoughts on
 my COMMITTING 
 xml-fop's Forrest-generated build/ directory
 structure?
 

For #1) Wouldn't we have to keep doing that whenever a
change is made to the website as a result?  I'm
concerned with it falling out of sync with the
production website.

Also, the output on minotaur should be viewable via
ViewCVS anyway, correct?  (We were doing manual
updates to the website to fix the breadcrumb issue--we
went through ViewCVS to find the correct pages to
update IIRC.)  

For #2) Oh ye of little faith! ;) Aren't we eventually
going to have a full-site PDF anyway?  Then
non-internet installations can just save a copy of the
PDF locally after they download the software.  (I
guess they have to be connected at some time to the
'Net though...)  Perhaps saving the full site PDF once
we get it may be more efficient.

Glen



RE: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-24 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
 -Original Message-
 From: Glen Mazza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 --- The Web Maestro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On a similar note, I am 'contemplating' committing
  the xml-fop/build/ folder ('built' by apache-forrest-0.6).
  My reasoning for this is two-fold:
  1. it contains the FOP web site (which I've spent
 a significant amount of time to re-create).

Hmm... since we already offer the source XML for generating the
website --correct?--, wouldn't it be sufficient to point those interested to
Forrest if they want to build the documentation locally? (Maybe even provide
an Ant build-target, of course depending on the presence of Apache Forrest
in the target environment... analogous to the 'javadoc' target)

Those who do not want to take the time, or are unwilling to learn to use
Forrest can still admire the site in all its glory online.

Just a thought.

Greetz,

Andreas



Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-24 Thread The Web Maestro
On Nov 24, 2004, at 1:39 PM, The Web Maestro wrote:
On Nov 24, 2004, at 1:16 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:
snip
Also, the output on minotaur should be viewable via
ViewCVS anyway, correct?  (We were doing manual
updates to the website to fix the breadcrumb issue--we
went through ViewCVS to find the correct pages to
update IIRC.)
Sort of. minotaur is a different location
(actually I believe minotaur does both, but the *web site* is a 
different location... the rest of my comment is unchanged)

Also, Andreas is correct that the site is built from the source (and I 
didn't forget that! ;-)). As long as the wholesite files are turned 
off, you get a BUILD SUCCESSFUL(!) at the end of a Forrest run.

Web Maestro Clay
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RE: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-24 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
 -Original Message-
 From: The Web Maestro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Also, Andreas is correct that the site is built from the source (and I
 didn't forget that! ;-)).

Yeah, make them sweat at least as hard as you --that way, your effort will
be even more appreciated :-)

Greetz,

Andreas



Re: Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-24 Thread Peter B. West
The Web Maestro wrote:
BTW -- thanks *very* much for taking care of the alt-design tab, I 
greatly appreciate the effort in simplifying our site.

Glad to be of service. If there are other things which anyone thinks can 
improve the site (e.g. consolidating pages, removing 
moved/incorrect/inappropriate content, etc.) please let me know.
Clay,
Let me say, Clay, thank you *very*, *very* much for taking care of the 
alt-design tab.  Have I drawn your attention to the fact that I am *very 
happy* that you have taken care of this?

(I have thanked Clay personally out-of-band for his work on this.)
Peter


Unnecessary zipping and backups?

2004-11-23 Thread Glen Mazza
Clay,
I'm noticing a lot of .zips and .bak backup files in our cvs directories 
[1] -- this seems unnecessary and a bit messy for a version control 
system, as everyone who cvs checkouts or cvs updates is now 
downloading these files.  Instead of zip files, usually the solution is 
just to cvs remove the files -- they will automatically go into the 
cvs attic as a result (they are not actually deleted -- ViewCVS lists 
them as dead but they are always still retrievable.)

For backup files, we can always go to older versions by clicking on the 
first column in ViewCVS ([2], for an example version list).  So I don't 
think we have a need for creating any .bak files either.  If there is 
a message you wish to store with a particular version before moving 
forward, just make a *very* minor change to the file (say, move a 
character or add a blank line), and add your comment when you cvs commit.

Can we get these zip's and bak's removed?  Just cvs remove them -- get 
them in the attic so people aren't downloading them on a cvs checkout.

BTW -- thanks *very* much for taking care of the alt-design tab, I 
greatly appreciate the effort in simplifying our site.

Thanks,
Glen
[1] http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-fop/
[2] http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-fop/build.bat?rev=1.22view=log