RE: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-26 Thread Art Welch

The code looks correct to me. I am just about out of ideas on this. If other
applications are able to print to this printer successfully, then this
should work. Have you tried the PS renderer yet? The JDK printing API should
not come in to play on this. We are sending the print data directly to the
printer. I am still a little suspicious that something between FOP and the
printer is filtering the stream. As a sanity check I would try connecting
the printer locally to see if it works any better.

Sorry I could not be more helpful,
Art

-Original Message-
From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript


I tried setting the PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = PCL
and then sending the output to the printer but the printer printed the same
old
junk characters it was doing earlier
Here is my piece of code:
--
--

  FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(Melstar\\Melprn);
  fos.write(\033%-12345X@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = PCL\r\n.getBytes());
  Driver driver = new Driver();
  driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PCL);
  driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardElementMapping);
  driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGElementMapping);
  driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardPropertyListMapping);
  driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGPropertyListMapping);
  driver.setOutputStream(fos);
  driver.buildFOTree(parser, new InputSource(args[0]));
  driver.format();
  driver.render();
  fos.write(\033%-12345X@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = POSTSCRIPT\r\n.getBytes());
  fos.close();



I used the jdk 1.4 beta which has much better printing support than it's
predecessors and used it's
new java printing service API to query my printer. Whichever way I query my
printer it always tells
me that the supported file format to print is gif, jpeg and png.
If I try to set the DocFlavor as POSTSCRIPT or PDF it throws me an
exception.
I hitting a dead end it seems.

Thanks,
Hitesh


Art Welch wrote:

 I think that it is probably most likely that something is altering the
 escape characters in the print stream before the printer gets it. The text
 renderer of course has no escape characters in it's output.

 If your printer was PS only then the plain text output would not have
 printed correctly either (unless something interpreted it for the
printer).
 PCL however will print plain text properly (depending on line feeds and
form
 feeds being appropriate).

 OK! I just did some more looking on the HP site and it looks like the 6MP
 should support both PCL and PostScript. If the default is PS and you want
to
 leave the printer that way then you may need to use the PJL commands to
 switch the language in software (see
 http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpl01378.html). If you
 want to try this, after you open the file output stream you would write
the
 enter language PCL command \033%-12345X@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = PCL\r\n to
 the output stream before giving the stream to Driver. After Driver has
 rendered the PCL you could reset the language to PS before closing the
 stream with \033%-12345X@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE = POSTSCRIPT\r\n.

 I hope that this solves the problem for you,
 Art

 -Original Message-
 From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:56 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

 also if I use
 driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_TXT);
 and send the output to the printer straight away the printer is able to
 understand
 the output and is able to print the text output. But the quality of the
 output
 falls far short of what a pdf output can provide.

 Thanks,
 Hitesh

 Hitesh Bagchi wrote:

  I used the following piece of code to send the pcl output to the
 printer(HP
  Laser Jet 6P/6MP network printer):
 
FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(Melstar\\Melprn);
Driver driver = new Driver();
driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PCL);
driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardElementMapping);
driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGElementMapping);
 
driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardPropertyListMapping);
driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGPropertyListMapping);
driver.setOutputStream(fos);
driver.buildFOTree(parser, new InputSource(args[0]));
driver.format();
driver.render();
 
  And everything went smoothly.
  Only the printer printed a lot of junk characters like you would get if
 you
  write the pcl output to a file and send the file to a printer as a text
 file.
  Does it mean my printer do not understand pcl output.
 
  Thanks,
  Hitesh
 
  Art Welch wrote:
 
   I am not sure if I have the syntax exactly correct (and I do not have
 FOP
   installed on my

Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-22 Thread Hitesh Bagchi

also if I use
driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_TXT);
and send the output to the printer straight away the printer is able to understand
the output and is able to print the text output. But the quality of the output
falls far short of what a pdf output can provide.

Thanks,
Hitesh


Hitesh Bagchi wrote:

 I used the following piece of code to send the pcl output to the printer(HP
 Laser Jet 6P/6MP network printer):

   FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(Melstar\\Melprn);
   Driver driver = new Driver();
   driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PCL);
   driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardElementMapping);
   driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGElementMapping);
   driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardPropertyListMapping);
   driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGPropertyListMapping);
   driver.setOutputStream(fos);
   driver.buildFOTree(parser, new InputSource(args[0]));
   driver.format();
   driver.render();

 And everything went smoothly.
 Only the printer printed a lot of junk characters like you would get if you
 write the pcl output to a file and send the file to a printer as a text file.
 Does it mean my printer do not understand pcl output.

 Thanks,
 Hitesh

 Art Welch wrote:

  I am not sure if I have the syntax exactly correct (and I do not have FOP
  installed on my Windows 2000 or NT workstations at the moment), but in the
  past I have successfully printed directly to a network printer, just by
  opening a file stream to it. For example in your example only the first line
  would need to change something like:
 
  FileOutputStream fos = new
  FileOutputStream(hostname\\printername);
 
  For a local printer you should be able to do something like:
 
  FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(lpt1);
 
  HTH,
  Art
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:35 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript
 
  I am using windows NT and I am trying to print the PCL output directly to
  the
  printer which is a
  HP Laser Jet 6P/6MP network printer from my application. Here is my piece of
  code :
  --
  ---
 
  FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(../temp/tTest.pcl);
  Driver driver = new Driver();
  driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PCL);
  driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardElementMapping);
  driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGElementMapping);
  driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardPropertyListMapping);
  driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGPropertyListMapping);
  driver.setOutputStream(fos);
  driver.buildFOTree(parser, new InputSource(args[0]));
  driver.format();
  driver.render();
  
  ---
 
  Now instead of printing to the Test.pcl file I want to send the output
  directly
  to the HP Laser Jet 6P/6MP
  printer on the network.
 
  Thanks,
  Hitesh
 
  Art Welch wrote:
 
   I thought that I had answered a question about direct printing PCL
  recently.
   If you will tell me what platform you are using (Windows/Unix) and how you
   are invoking FOP (application or command line). I will try to answer this.
  
   Art
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:50 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript
  
   Hello,
   Can somebody tell me how to stream PCL output to a network printer without
   writing to a file.
  
   Thanks,
   Hitesh
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Hello,
   
I am fairly new to FOP and to Java as well.  I am wondering if anyone
  has
written a rendering to convert an XML stream to Postscript with FOP
   (similar
to the PCL or PDF renderer) - I am in desperate need of a mechanism to
  do
this.  We have a current Java app that converts an XML stream into PDF,
   but
printing through Adobe Acrobat is too resource intensive on the lower
  end
machines.  I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a port,
which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng only
  HP)
   
If anyone knows of a way to convert an XML to PS format using a custom
  FOP
piece they've written, or knows of a better mechanism, I'd be forever
grateful!
   
Thanks very much,
   
Tony
   
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RE: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-22 Thread avespa

In terms of the solution for streaming to an LPT port or network printer, is
there a way to catch an error if this fails?  Lets say I have a network
printer and it is offline, how can I know if it worked or not?  It's a blind
process.

Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript


also if I use
driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_TXT);
and send the output to the printer straight away the printer is able to
understand
the output and is able to print the text output. But the quality of the
output
falls far short of what a pdf output can provide.

Thanks,
Hitesh


Hitesh Bagchi wrote:

 I used the following piece of code to send the pcl output to the
printer(HP
 Laser Jet 6P/6MP network printer):

   FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(Melstar\\Melprn);
   Driver driver = new Driver();
   driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PCL);
   driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardElementMapping);
   driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGElementMapping);
   driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardPropertyListMapping);
   driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGPropertyListMapping);
   driver.setOutputStream(fos);
   driver.buildFOTree(parser, new InputSource(args[0]));
   driver.format();
   driver.render();

 And everything went smoothly.
 Only the printer printed a lot of junk characters like you would get if
you
 write the pcl output to a file and send the file to a printer as a text
file.
 Does it mean my printer do not understand pcl output.

 Thanks,
 Hitesh

 Art Welch wrote:

  I am not sure if I have the syntax exactly correct (and I do not have
FOP
  installed on my Windows 2000 or NT workstations at the moment), but in
the
  past I have successfully printed directly to a network printer, just by
  opening a file stream to it. For example in your example only the first
line
  would need to change something like:
 
  FileOutputStream fos = new
  FileOutputStream(hostname\\printername);
 
  For a local printer you should be able to do something like:
 
  FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(lpt1);
 
  HTH,
  Art
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:35 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript
 
  I am using windows NT and I am trying to print the PCL output directly
to
  the
  printer which is a
  HP Laser Jet 6P/6MP network printer from my application. Here is my
piece of
  code :
 
--
  ---
 
  FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(../temp/tTest.pcl);
  Driver driver = new Driver();
  driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PCL);
 
driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardElementMapping);
  driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGElementMapping);
 
driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardPropertyListMapping);
  driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGPropertyListMapping);
  driver.setOutputStream(fos);
  driver.buildFOTree(parser, new InputSource(args[0]));
  driver.format();
  driver.render();
 

  ---
 
  Now instead of printing to the Test.pcl file I want to send the output
  directly
  to the HP Laser Jet 6P/6MP
  printer on the network.
 
  Thanks,
  Hitesh
 
  Art Welch wrote:
 
   I thought that I had answered a question about direct printing PCL
  recently.
   If you will tell me what platform you are using (Windows/Unix) and how
you
   are invoking FOP (application or command line). I will try to answer
this.
  
   Art
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:50 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript
  
   Hello,
   Can somebody tell me how to stream PCL output to a network printer
without
   writing to a file.
  
   Thanks,
   Hitesh
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Hello,
   
I am fairly new to FOP and to Java as well.  I am wondering if
anyone
  has
written a rendering to convert an XML stream to Postscript with FOP
   (similar
to the PCL or PDF renderer) - I am in desperate need of a mechanism
to
  do
this.  We have a current Java app that converts an XML stream into
PDF,
   but
printing through Adobe Acrobat is too resource intensive on the
lower
  end
machines.  I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a
port,
which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng
only
  HP)
   
If anyone knows of a way to convert an XML to PS format using a
custom
  FOP
piece they've written, or knows of a better mechanism, I'd be
forever
grateful

RE: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-20 Thread Art Welch

I thought that I had answered a question about direct printing PCL recently.
If you will tell me what platform you are using (Windows/Unix) and how you
are invoking FOP (application or command line). I will try to answer this.

Art

-Original Message-
From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript


Hello,
Can somebody tell me how to stream PCL output to a network printer without
writing to a file.

Thanks,
Hitesh

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 I am fairly new to FOP and to Java as well.  I am wondering if anyone has
 written a rendering to convert an XML stream to Postscript with FOP
(similar
 to the PCL or PDF renderer) - I am in desperate need of a mechanism to do
 this.  We have a current Java app that converts an XML stream into PDF,
but
 printing through Adobe Acrobat is too resource intensive on the lower end
 machines.  I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a port,
 which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng only HP)

 If anyone knows of a way to convert an XML to PS format using a custom FOP
 piece they've written, or knows of a better mechanism, I'd be forever
 grateful!

 Thanks very much,

 Tony

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RE: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-20 Thread avespa

Hello,

I am using FOP from within a java application and writing a PCL file.  I
then pass that PCL file to the LPT port for printing.  I want to be able to
render it as Postscript, not PCL.

Any advice or insight you have into post script or direct printing would be
gratefully appreciated!

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Art Welch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:01 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript


I thought that I had answered a question about direct printing PCL recently.
If you will tell me what platform you are using (Windows/Unix) and how you
are invoking FOP (application or command line). I will try to answer this.

Art

-Original Message-
From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript


Hello,
Can somebody tell me how to stream PCL output to a network printer without
writing to a file.

Thanks,
Hitesh

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 I am fairly new to FOP and to Java as well.  I am wondering if anyone has
 written a rendering to convert an XML stream to Postscript with FOP
(similar
 to the PCL or PDF renderer) - I am in desperate need of a mechanism to do
 this.  We have a current Java app that converts an XML stream into PDF,
but
 printing through Adobe Acrobat is too resource intensive on the lower end
 machines.  I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a port,
 which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng only HP)

 If anyone knows of a way to convert an XML to PS format using a custom FOP
 piece they've written, or knows of a better mechanism, I'd be forever
 grateful!

 Thanks very much,

 Tony

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Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-20 Thread Hitesh Bagchi

I am using windows NT and I am trying to print the PCL output directly to the
printer which is a
HP Laser Jet 6P/6MP network printer from my application. Here is my piece of
code :
-

FileOutputStream fos = new FileOutputStream(../temp/tTest.pcl);
Driver driver = new Driver();
driver.setRenderer(Driver.RENDER_PCL);
driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardElementMapping);
driver.addElementMapping(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGElementMapping);
driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.fo.StandardPropertyListMapping);
driver.addPropertyList(org.apache.fop.svg.SVGPropertyListMapping);
driver.setOutputStream(fos);
driver.buildFOTree(parser, new InputSource(args[0]));
driver.format();
driver.render();
---

Now instead of printing to the Test.pcl file I want to send the output directly
to the HP Laser Jet 6P/6MP
printer on the network.

Thanks,
Hitesh

Art Welch wrote:

 I thought that I had answered a question about direct printing PCL recently.
 If you will tell me what platform you are using (Windows/Unix) and how you
 are invoking FOP (application or command line). I will try to answer this.

 Art

 -Original Message-
 From: Hitesh Bagchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:50 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

 Hello,
 Can somebody tell me how to stream PCL output to a network printer without
 writing to a file.

 Thanks,
 Hitesh

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hello,
 
  I am fairly new to FOP and to Java as well.  I am wondering if anyone has
  written a rendering to convert an XML stream to Postscript with FOP
 (similar
  to the PCL or PDF renderer) - I am in desperate need of a mechanism to do
  this.  We have a current Java app that converts an XML stream into PDF,
 but
  printing through Adobe Acrobat is too resource intensive on the lower end
  machines.  I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a port,
  which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng only HP)
 
  If anyone knows of a way to convert an XML to PS format using a custom FOP
  piece they've written, or knows of a better mechanism, I'd be forever
  grateful!
 
  Thanks very much,
 
  Tony
 
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Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-19 Thread Arved_37

Quoting Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I've started a Postscript renderer some time ago. It produces Level 2
 Postscript and DSC comments. It's certainly not production ready, though.
 The whole SVG stuff is missing and it would have to be updated for the
 current CVS version. If it helped you I could update the code to fit
 with the current CVS version and post it to be integrated with FOP. You
 would have to give me a week or so to do that. Just tell me. Also
 depends on the comitters if they want the code in the current status...

Whatever status the code is in, if you are reasonably happy with the design
behind it, please feel free to submit it. The last thing we try (or want) to do
is to foster an impression that people have to provide code-complete modules;
as long as it compiles and doesn't break other code, we are happy to have it.

The whole point of open-source is that we try to get code in early and often.
That way other people can look at it, and take it into account, and maybe work
with it, too. It also insures against the possibility that you, or anyone, just
never has the time to really finish the job, and every time you look at what you
have you want to improve it, and it never actually sees the light of day.

I am as guilty as anyone, of holding off on submitting things into CVS until I
have finished works of art. And I really get bit with the improvement bug I
described above. :-) But this is just not the way to do things in open-source,
as a rule.

So, in summary, please feel free to submit what you have. What you can do in any
case is make it clear that you wish to remain the prime on that piece of code,
and that if anyone else wishes to work on it they should coordinate with you.

 But since you're new to Java I doubt that it will help you much because
 you would have to improve the code yourself (or find someone to do it
 for you).

Regards,
Arved Sandstrom


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Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-19 Thread Hitesh Bagchi

Hello,
Can somebody tell me how to stream PCL output to a network printer without
writing to a file.

Thanks,
Hitesh

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 I am fairly new to FOP and to Java as well.  I am wondering if anyone has
 written a rendering to convert an XML stream to Postscript with FOP (similar
 to the PCL or PDF renderer) - I am in desperate need of a mechanism to do
 this.  We have a current Java app that converts an XML stream into PDF, but
 printing through Adobe Acrobat is too resource intensive on the lower end
 machines.  I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a port,
 which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng only HP)

 If anyone knows of a way to convert an XML to PS format using a custom FOP
 piece they've written, or knows of a better mechanism, I'd be forever
 grateful!

 Thanks very much,

 Tony

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Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-18 Thread Jeremias Maerki

 I am fairly new to FOP and to Java as well.  I am wondering if anyone has
 written a rendering to convert an XML stream to Postscript with FOP (similar
 to the PCL or PDF renderer) - I am in desperate need of a mechanism to do
 this.  We have a current Java app that converts an XML stream into PDF, but
 printing through Adobe Acrobat is too resource intensive on the lower end
 machines.  I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a port,
 which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng only HP)
 
 If anyone knows of a way to convert an XML to PS format using a custom FOP
 piece they've written, or knows of a better mechanism, I'd be forever
 grateful!

I've started a Postscript renderer some time ago. It produces Level 2
Postscript and DSC comments. It's certainly not production ready, though.
The whole SVG stuff is missing and it would have to be updated for the
current CVS version. If it helped you I could update the code to fit
with the current CVS version and post it to be integrated with FOP. You
would have to give me a week or so to do that. Just tell me. Also
depends on the comitters if they want the code in the current status...
But since you're new to Java I doubt that it will help you much because
you would have to improve the code yourself (or find someone to do it
for you).

Have you tried Ghostscript for the conversion? I don't know, but it
might be worth a try.

Jeremias Märki

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RE: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript

2001-06-18 Thread avespa

Hello,

It is for a company in South American, and the low end platforms are either
P133/32 or P200/64 - launching it in Adobe Acrobat to print takes a long
time/

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From: Alex McLintock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help in XML Rendering to PostScript



--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello,
 I have tried converting to PCL and then streaming to a port,
 which works pretty well, but is not a 100% compatibile (PCL beng only HP)

IMHO a large number of printers are PCL compatible nowadays - even those 
not made by HP.
 
I'd say they were more common than postscript - 

Why are you doing this on low spec machines?

Alex



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