Re: [PATCH] doc validation fix
On 12.01.2003 11:40:57 Bernd Brandstetter wrote: After having tried to understand how fop works by just reading the code for a couple of hours now, FOrtress inevitably comes to my mind ;-) (in the sense of: Not easy to get in, at least for a newbie) :-) Unfortunately, Fortress is already taken by the Apache Avalon project for one their new containers. I bet they wouldn't be happy to hear your association with the name. Let's be serious again: What do you think could be improved to make FOP easier to get in? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] doc validation fix
On 12.01.2003 04:59:36 Jeff Turner wrote: On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 05:43:37PM +0100, Jeremias Maerki wrote: Hi Jeff I've applied your patches locally. Thanks. Everything's ok with the first one, but with the second one I'm having problems (not your fault!): - I had to add adjust the inline DTD of skinconf.xml to include the role attribute: !ELEMENT credit (name, url, image, width?, height?) !ATTLIST credit role CDATA #IMPLIED Oops yes, sorry. Attached is a fix with DTD mods. Applied, thanks. - The credit element produces a rather ugly FOP logo. If you upgrade your Forrest, the logo won't appear[1]. The @role=pdf in skinconf.xml means the credit only applies to PDFs. Earlier versions of Forrest didn't know about this, so rather than display a broken image, I threw in the current FOP logo. Ok, I've upgraded Forrest again and the logo disappeared. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oleg Tkachenko wrote: I like it. First of all FOP is well-known among the whole xml community for ages (what costs much) and secondly fop word has a Yes, this is the primary consideration. The only reason why I mention it now at all is that changing such things is always better done sooner rather than later. Entry Word: fop Function: noun Text: a man who is conspicuously fashionable or elegant in dress or appearance felt contempt for the mincing overdressed fop Synonyms Beau Brummel, blood, buck, coxcomb, dandy, dude, exquisite, gallant, lounge lizard, macaroni, petit-maître, popinjay Related Word fashion plate, silk stocking; blade, cavalier, man-about-town, spark, sport, swell; ladies' man, lady-killer, masher Idioms man of the world I never have a problem writing it, but when speaking it, I cannot make my mouth say fop, but invariably say eff-oh-pee instead. May I ask why? (Sorry, after spending the whole day in the beach I'm a liitle bit stupid :) It must be a cultural thing. The dictionary definition you gave should tell the story well enough -- see the example felt contempt for the mincing The word is a pejorative, but perhaps more so in my part of the world, where calling someone a fop or a dandy might be fighting words. In my mind it connotes sissy on one end of the scale and big hat, no cattle on the other. This is all partially mitigated by the fact that the word is pretty much in disuse, so maybe nobody else knows what it means. Finding myself in the minority, I withdraw the question. I intended no offence. As a workaround, please don't be offended if I continue to treat the name as an acronym instead of a word. Victor Mote - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 13 January 2003 11:05, Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 12.01.2003 11:40:57 Bernd Brandstetter wrote: After having tried to understand how fop works by just reading the code for a couple of hours now, FOrtress inevitably comes to my mind ;-) (in the sense of: Not easy to get in, at least for a newbie) :-) Unfortunately, Fortress is already taken by the Apache Avalon project for one their new containers. I bet they wouldn't be happy to hear your association with the name. Let's be serious again: What do you think could be improved to make FOP easier to get in? Design documentation :-) When I clicked on the Architecture and Design links, I had expected a bit more than 20 to 30 lines of text. But I must admit that I have totally overlooked the Understanding the design section which is a bit more verbose. Still, it would be nice to have something in the style of the Alt design description - which I think is really great - for the standard design too. Regards, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Victor Mote wrote: It must be a cultural thing. The dictionary definition you gave should tell the story well enough -- see the example felt contempt for the mincing The word is a pejorative, but perhaps more so in my part of the world, where calling someone a fop or a dandy might be fighting words. In my mind it connotes sissy on one end of the scale and big hat, no cattle on the other. This is all partially mitigated by the fact that the word is pretty much in disuse, so maybe nobody else knows what it means. Finding myself in the minority, I withdraw the question. I intended no offence. As a workaround, please don't be offended if I continue to treat the name as an acronym instead of a word. Victor, Re my comment on this, I thought I should warn you that I am addicted to ironical jokes, which can be a dangerous habit with email. I dislike emoticons, probably because I am more of a snob than I like to admit, but also because they seem to me to discourage any attempt either to write or to read the subtle - or the ironical! - from email. An advantage of the longevity of a forum like this is that we get to know each other's style, so I hope that my un-emoticoned attempts at humour are read as such. I'll see if I can squeeze one out. ,; :) ;, Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ Lord, to whom shall we go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter B. West wrote: Re my comment on this, I thought I should warn you that I am addicted to ironical jokes, which can be a dangerous habit with email. I dislike emoticons, probably because I am more of a snob than I like to admit, but also because they seem to me to discourage any attempt either to write or to read the subtle - or the ironical! - from email. An advantage of the longevity of a forum like this is that we get to know each other's style, so I hope that my un-emoticoned attempts at humour are read as such. I'll see if I can squeeze one out. ,; :) ;, We're OK. I caught your irony. My response was really entirely to Oleg's question. However, I really was concerned about offending someone -- things like names and logos carry a certain emotional weight. In other words, I might worry about offending some on this list, but it really wouldn't bother me to offend you at all, Peter. VVBG :-) Victor Mote - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Victor Mote wrote: We're OK. I caught your irony. My response was really entirely to Oleg's question. However, I really was concerned about offending someone -- things like names and logos carry a certain emotional weight. In other words, I might worry about offending some on this list, but it really wouldn't bother me to offend you at all, Peter. VVBG :-) Touche'. Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ Lord, to whom shall we go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Saturday 11 January 2003 20:13, Victor Mote wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: - Do we like our current logo? :-) I hope I am not out of line to ask an even more fundamental question -- do we like our current name? I never have a problem writing it, but when speaking it, I cannot make my mouth say fop, but invariably say eff-oh-pee instead. Our root FO is a FOrtunate or perhaps FOrtuitous one, as there are many English words that start with these letters, and probably many more that contain them. FOr(r)est might have been good (since we seem to work with trees a lot), but is taken. FOrward, FOcus, or even FOreword might each work, or efFOrtless (). How about FOliage (with a leaf logo)? Or perhaps a Latin word to reflect our international crew -- FOcus (again), or FOrtis, or FOrum. I also like Oleg's idea of throwing it out to the user community. After having tried to understand how fop works by just reading the code for a couple of hours now, FOrtress inevitably comes to my mind ;-) (in the sense of: Not easy to get in, at least for a newbie) Bye, Bernd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] doc validation fix
Hi Jeff I've applied your patches locally. Thanks. Everything's ok with the first one, but with the second one I'm having problems (not your fault!): - I had to add adjust the inline DTD of skinconf.xml to include the role attribute: !ELEMENT credit (name, url, image, width?, height?) !ATTLIST credit role CDATA #IMPLIED - The credit element produces a rather ugly FOP logo. But that's probably more a FOP-internal thing. We probably need a customized little image for this. It should probably be something like: PDFs generated with logo F O P Questions: - Does anyone have the original logo (AI, CorelDraw, SVG etc.)??? I haven't found it anywhere. - Do we like our current logo? :-) I've commented out Jeff's credit element for the moment and will commit the changes in a minute. On 10.01.2003 15:45:11 Jeff Turner wrote: Running 'forrest validate' on CVS head, I get: validate-xdocs: /home/jeff/apache/xml/xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs/design/alt.design/properties/enumerated-values.xml:211:63: Element type code. must be declared. /home/jeff/apache/xml/xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs/design/alt.design/properties/enumerated-values.xml:212:44: The element type code. must be terminated by the matching end-tag /code.. Attached patch fixes this, and cleans up enumerated-values.xml a bit. Also, I've just modified Forrest so that the xml-fop/src/documentation/forrest.diff patch is no longer necessary. To achieve the same effect, the second attached patch adds this to src/documentation/skinconf.xml: +credit role=pdf + nameCreated by: FOP 1.0dev/name + urlhttp://xml.apache.org/fop/dev/url + imageimages/logo.jpg/image + width138/width + height31/height +/credit The image, width and height fields are unused, but I put them there so users with pre-patched Forrests (which don't know about @role) don't get a broken link on the HTML front-page. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeremias Maerki wrote: - Do we like our current logo? :-) That's a big question actually :) afair Keiron said the current logo should be at least brighten to fit forrest-ed site design better or suggested to make the logo contest. Should admit I spent a couple of hours trying to implement my ideas about the logo (leading motifs were medieval typographic dropcaps and a parrot as (imho) the most foppish animal) but I'm too bad artist and the results were too ugly :) My suggestion is to announce the new FOP logo contest in fop-user list or broader, like recent Amaya welcome page contest[1] (the winner gets bragging rights). Then we can vote among developers or users, how the idea? [1] http://www.w3.org/Amaya/contest.html -- Oleg Tkachenko eXperanto team Multiconn Technologies, Israel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oleg Tkachenko wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: - Do we like our current logo? :-) Uh! Should admit I spent a couple of hours trying to implement my ideas about the logo (leading motifs were medieval typographic dropcaps and a parrot as (imho) the most foppish animal) but I'm too bad artist and the results were too ugly :) What about a TeX-parody? +--- +--\ | | | +-- /--\ +--/ | || | | || | || \--/ Colored as the current logo, or more in shades like the Apache feather? (feather - part of a parrot - hmm) J.Pietschmann - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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J.Pietschmann wrote: What about a TeX-parody? +--- +--\ | | | +-- /--\ +--/ | || | | || | || \--/ Not bad, but what does it mean? (And does logo should mean anything?) :) Colored as the current logo, or more in shades like the Apache feather? (feather - part of a parrot - hmm) I've been imagining F and P as fancy dropcaps and/or a little o with a parrot sitting on it, colored or just outlined (something like this one [1]). Anyway each of us has a great imagination, but we need real logos to choose and why not to make a contest? It's kind of PR after all. [1] http://www.nyc-poly.org/Poly%20parrot.gif -- Oleg Tkachenko eXperanto team Multiconn Technologies, Israel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Victor Mote wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: - Do we like our current logo? :-) I hope I am not out of line to ask an even more fundamental question -- do we like our current name? I never have a problem writing it, but when speaking it, I cannot make my mouth say fop, but invariably say eff-oh-pee instead. Heresy! Victor, the stigma that once attached to consulting a speech therapist has almost vanished now. I'm sure something can be done, and our best wishes will go with you. Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ Lord, to whom shall we go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 05:43:37PM +0100, Jeremias Maerki wrote: Hi Jeff I've applied your patches locally. Thanks. Everything's ok with the first one, but with the second one I'm having problems (not your fault!): - I had to add adjust the inline DTD of skinconf.xml to include the role attribute: !ELEMENT credit (name, url, image, width?, height?) !ATTLIST credit role CDATA #IMPLIED Oops yes, sorry. Attached is a fix with DTD mods. - The credit element produces a rather ugly FOP logo. If you upgrade your Forrest, the logo won't appear[1]. The @role=pdf in skinconf.xml means the credit only applies to PDFs. Earlier versions of Forrest didn't know about this, so rather than display a broken image, I threw in the current FOP logo. --Jeff [1] See http://forrestbot.cocoondev.org/sites/xml-fop/ (after applying the patch) But that's probably more a FOP-internal thing. We probably need a customized little image for this. It should probably be something like: PDFs generated with logo F O P Questions: - Does anyone have the original logo (AI, CorelDraw, SVG etc.)??? I haven't found it anywhere. - Do we like our current logo? :-) I've commented out Jeff's credit element for the moment and will commit the changes in a minute. ... Index: src/documentation/skinconf.xml === RCS file: /home/cvspublic/xml-fop/src/documentation/skinconf.xml,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 skinconf.xml --- src/documentation/skinconf.xml 11 Jan 2003 16:49:26 - 1.4 +++ src/documentation/skinconf.xml 12 Jan 2003 03:47:16 - @@ -11,10 +11,14 @@ !ENTITY % links.att 'name CDATA #REQUIRED' !ENTITY % link.att 'name CDATA #REQUIRED href CDATA #REQUIRED' - !ELEMENT skinconfig (disable-search?, searchsite-domain?, searchsite-name?, project-name, project-url, project-logo, group-name?, group-url?, group-logo?, host-logo?, year?, vendor?, trail?, credits?)* + !ELEMENT skinconfig (disable-search?, searchsite-domain?, searchsite-name?, + project-name, project-url, project-logo, group-name?, group-url?, group-logo?, + host-url?, host-logo?, year?, vendor?, trail?, credits?)* !ELEMENT credits (credit*) - !ELEMENT credit (name, url, image, width?, height?) - !ATTLIST credit role CDATA #IMPLIED + !ELEMENT credit (name, url, image?, width?, height?) + !-- id uniquely identifies the tool, and role indicates its function -- + !ATTLIST credit id CDATA #IMPLIED + role CDATA #IMPLIED !ELEMENT disable-search (#PCDATA) !ELEMENT searchsite-domain (#PCDATA) !ELEMENT searchsite-name (#PCDATA) @@ -24,6 +28,7 @@ !ELEMENT group-name (#PCDATA) !ELEMENT group-url (#PCDATA) !ELEMENT group-logo (#PCDATA) + !ELEMENT host-url (#PCDATA) !ELEMENT host-logo (#PCDATA) !ELEMENT year (#PCDATA) !ELEMENT vendor (#PCDATA) @@ -90,12 +95,12 @@ width138/width height31/height /credit-- -!--credit role=pdf +credit role=pdf nameCreated by: FOP 1.0dev/name urlhttp://xml.apache.org/fop/dev/url imageimages/logo.jpg/image width138/width height31/height -/credit-- +/credit /credits /skinconfig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
