Re: Ensuring integrity searchability of ML archives (was Re: [REQUEST] XML Graphics setup) (Modified by Clay Leeds)

2004-11-02 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Clay Leeds wrote:
When the Apache Forrest project changed to a new domain, they also 
changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, 
with this change comes (IMHO) a significant problem for browsers of the 
archives: forrest-dev@ mail is a completely separate mailing list (with 
a separate interface). The problem is that forrest-dev was used for 
*all* dev ** user mailing list traffic, so a search in the 'current' 
mailing lists' archives does not include content in forrest-dev (that's 
a separate search).
Which archives are you looking at?
The eyebrowse archives include the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and go back to 
November 2002.

http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]by=datefrom=2002-05-01to=2002-05-31first=1count=636
For Eyebrowse, when moving a list name, we generally set up a new 
archive under the new list name and index all the old messages into the 
new archive.

Cheers,
Berin


Re: Ensuring integrity searchability of ML archives (was Re: [REQUEST] XML Graphics setup) (Modified by Clay Leeds)

2004-11-02 Thread Clay Leeds
On Nov 1, 2004, at 1:11 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote:
Clay Leeds wrote:
When the Apache Forrest project changed to a new domain, they also  
changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Unfortunately, with this change comes (IMHO) a significant problem  
for browsers of the archives: forrest-dev@ mail is a completely  
separate mailing list (with a separate interface). The problem is  
that forrest-dev was used for *all* dev ** user mailing list  
traffic, so a search in the 'current' mailing lists' archives does  
not include content in forrest-dev (that's a separate search).
Which archives are you looking at?
The eyebrowse archives include the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and go back to  
November 2002.

http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList? 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]by=datefrom=2002-05-01to=2002-05 
-31first=1count=636

For Eyebrowse, when moving a list name, we generally set up a new  
archive under the new list name and index all the old messages into  
the new archive.

Cheers,
Berin
Sorry. I guess I'm having trouble explaining this.
Because [EMAIL PROTECTED] was the only list for a long time,  
it was used for Forrest DEV issues ** for Forrest USER issues. When  
the Forrest was made an Apache Top-Level-Project  
(http://forrest.apache.org) they decided to split the list into  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The problem is that all of the USER-related information in the old  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is inaccessible to a query by a someone searching the  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list archives.

The solution (IMO) is to copy the [EMAIL PROTECTED] information in to  
the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list archives (I realize it's already copied to  
the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive). (NOTE: I want to reiterate that I'm not  
requesting this change be done as I'm not a Forrest Committer and this  
has not been discussed on [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I just want to ensure the  
integrity of fop-dev  fop-user lists remain intact during the switch  
from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It  
sounds like both archives can be merged, so this should not be a  
problem for XML Graphics.

Web Maestro Clay
--
Clay Leeds - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webmaster/Developer - Medata, Inc. - http://www.medata.com/
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Re: [REQUEST] XML Graphics setup

2004-11-01 Thread Clay Leeds
NOTE: This was sent to fop-dev  batik-dev as I have a question about 
the mailing lists I'd like to clarify before we 'ask' [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Oct 31, 2004, at 1:28 AM, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Dear infrastructure people,
the board has recently accepted the proposal for creation of the XML
Graphics project (which is comprised of the XML projects Batik and 
FOP).
To aid in the process, would infrastructure please do the following:

#===
[0] Subdomain and unix group
The name of the new subdomain and unix group is xmlgraphics.
#===
[1] Mailing List
(i) addresses
  I.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  II.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  III. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private mailing list)
(ia) renames and aliases
  I.   [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I.   [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  II.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I.   [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I.   [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  II.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please create aliases so the old adresses continue to work!
When the Apache Forrest project changed to a new domain, they also 
changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Unfortunately, with this change comes (IMHO) a significant problem for 
browsers of the archives: forrest-dev@ mail is a completely separate 
mailing list (with a separate interface). The problem is that 
forrest-dev was used for *all* dev ** user mailing list traffic, so a 
search in the 'current' mailing lists' archives does not include 
content in forrest-dev (that's a separate search).

For example, with the change to [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'd 
like to make certain (if possible or logical) that we don't end up with 
a similar problem.

I'm not certain what the 'solution' looks like (or even if it's a real 
problem!), but I thought we should chat. If it is a problem, we may 
need to set up mailing-list@xmlgraphics.apache.org as an alias to 
mailing-list@xml.apache.org. IOW, the mailing lists do *not* change 
and we add aliases for @xmlgraphics.a.o.

Is this something we should worry about? IMO, the ability to search 
relevant archives using one search is more important than having a 
'real' address vs. an alias. We still would want to have all headers 
(e.g., Reply-To:) and trailers set to mailing-list@xmlgraphics.a.o

Thoughts?
Web Maestro Clay
--
Clay Leeds - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webmaster/Developer - Medata, Inc. - http://www.medata.com/
PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/cleeds.asc


Re: [REQUEST] XML Graphics setup

2004-11-01 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I can't tell what side-effects will arise from what I requested. I was
hoping there weren't any. Why don't you just ask the infrastructure
people? They will know better.

PS. Can we please use general@ for such discussions to minimize
cross-posting? By now, everyone interested in the XML Graphics setup
will be subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 01.11.2004 16:59:15 Clay Leeds wrote:
 NOTE: This was sent to fop-dev  batik-dev as I have a question about 
 the mailing lists I'd like to clarify before we 'ask' [EMAIL PROTECTED]

snip/

 When the Apache Forrest project changed to a new domain, they also 
 changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Unfortunately, with this change comes (IMHO) a significant problem for 
 browsers of the archives: forrest-dev@ mail is a completely separate 
 mailing list (with a separate interface). The problem is that 
 forrest-dev was used for *all* dev ** user mailing list traffic, so a 
 search in the 'current' mailing lists' archives does not include 
 content in forrest-dev (that's a separate search).
 
 For example, with the change to [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'd 
 like to make certain (if possible or logical) that we don't end up with 
 a similar problem.
 
 I'm not certain what the 'solution' looks like (or even if it's a real 
 problem!), but I thought we should chat. If it is a problem, we may 
 need to set up mailing-list@xmlgraphics.apache.org as an alias to 
 mailing-list@xml.apache.org. IOW, the mailing lists do *not* change 
 and we add aliases for @xmlgraphics.a.o.
 
 Is this something we should worry about? IMO, the ability to search 
 relevant archives using one search is more important than having a 
 'real' address vs. an alias. We still would want to have all headers 
 (e.g., Reply-To:) and trailers set to mailing-list@xmlgraphics.a.o
 
 Thoughts?


Jeremias Maerki



Re: [REQUEST] XML Graphics setup

2004-11-01 Thread Glen Mazza
BTW, we do not necessarily need to change the email
addresses for the FOP and Batik mailing lists.  It
would nice anyway to keep the archives as one, instead
of needing to bounce between two lists.

We can also wait several months before changing.  Who
knows, there may be other changes down the road that
would require the xmlgraphics part to change again
anyway.  (For example, Apache wishing to group its
TLP's into zones-- XML, Jakarta, WS, etc.  In that
case [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc. would still be fine
for a ML name.)

Glen

--- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't tell what side-effects will arise from what
 I requested. I was
 hoping there weren't any. Why don't you just ask the
 infrastructure
 people? They will know better.
 
 PS. Can we please use general@ for such discussions
 to minimize
 cross-posting? By now, everyone interested in the
 XML Graphics setup
 will be subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]