Re: no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-30 Thread Enrico Schnepel

Like FOP html2fo is still under development. It is stable but not complete. 
You are welcome to send me a list of html tags you want to be supported - or 
even better a sample file where they are used.

Enrico

Am Donnerstag, 22. November 2001 19:43 schrieben Sie:
 I am interested in  most html2pdf, html2fo,  but after I tried
 any of them, i am frustrated. some very lame ones support only
 3 tags even.  so i am wondering this tool support all html
 tags specified in HTML 4.0 DTD?

 On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Enrico Schnepel wrote:
  Hello
 
  I've developed a tool html2fo for conversion of .html files to .fo.
  http://html2fo.sourceforge.net
  A similar tool is
  WH2FO at
  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/fabgia/wh2fo/wh2fo.html
 
  WH2FO is optimized for Word 2000 html files - html2fo is more general.
 
  Enrico
 
  Am Freitag, 16. November 2001 21:45 schrieben Sie:
   XMLSpy 4.1 has FO transformation built in as an option under the XSL
   menu. All you have to do is point it to FOP.bat. I guess you could call
   this a visual tool. But I'm going to guess that what the original
   poster is looking for is some kind of a WYSIWIG PDF editor that
   manipulates the underlying FO? That would be a pretty intense project.
  
   Do you think Adobe will ever implement a built-in fop processor? The
   Acrobat plug-in could come to life any time the browser comes across a
   .fo file, just like it does now when it sees a .pdf. Any pages that
   require precise coloring, layout, pagination, etc. would be candidates
   for conversion from html to fo. Definitely some interesting
   possibilities here. I suppose people could be doing the same thing now
   if they have Exchange, but when you can make little changes through a
   text editor it's a lot more convenient.
  
  
   You'd think they'd be all for it since it could drastically increase
   PDF viewing on the web. Although I guess it could cut into sales of
   their full-version Acrobat (what used to be called Exchange). So what
   part of it would they sell? Hmmm. Can even they do this within the
   licensing rules of this project?
  
  
   -Matt
  
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Hi team
   
This is also something I am curious about. Here are two
embryonic ideas -
can anyone see any merit in them?
   
1   XMLSpy seems to have the ability to convert a Word
document to XML. Could
XSLT be used to transform this XML to FO, and thence to PDF?
Then Word could
be used as the visual tool.
   
2   Sun's new Star Office apparently saves files as XML (see
http://xml.coverpages.org/starOfficeXML.html ). Could the
word processor
from StarOffice be used as the visual tool?
   
By the way, XMLSpy mentions support or fop - does anyone have
experience
with this?
   
Regards -
Charles Palmer
   
Technical Director, DSP Design Ltd
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7 Tapton Park Innovation Centre, Brimington Rd, Chesterfield
S41 0TZ, UK
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Re: no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-18 Thread aaron

XML spy crashes every time I try to use fop with it. When in doubt use the
command line.
I downloaded the visual tools for fo and found them royally confusing.
What I expected was a interface to setup a page like in FrameMaker et al
that would generate an XSLT/FO Style Sheet with the ability to play around
with the source.
So far I have not found a tool that does everything...
Aaron Mehl
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Subject: RE: no visual tool for FOP?


 Hi team

 This is also something I am curious about. Here are two embryonic ideas -
 can anyone see any merit in them?

 1 XMLSpy seems to have the ability to convert a Word document to XML.
Could
 XSLT be used to transform this XML to FO, and thence to PDF? Then Word
could
 be used as the visual tool.

 2 Sun's new Star Office apparently saves files as XML (see
 http://xml.coverpages.org/starOfficeXML.html ). Could the word processor
 from StarOffice be used as the visual tool?

 By the way, XMLSpy mentions support or fop - does anyone have experience
 with this?

 Regards -
 Charles Palmer

 Technical Director, DSP Design Ltd
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 7 Tapton Park Innovation Centre, Brimington Rd, Chesterfield S41 0TZ, UK
 ph: +44 (0) 1246 545 918



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Re: no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-18 Thread Enrico Schnepel

Hello

I've developed a tool html2fo for conversion of .html files to .fo.
http://html2fo.sourceforge.net
A similar tool is
WH2FO at
http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/fabgia/wh2fo/wh2fo.html

WH2FO is optimized for Word 2000 html files - html2fo is more general.

Enrico

Am Freitag, 16. November 2001 21:45 schrieben Sie:
 XMLSpy 4.1 has FO transformation built in as an option under the XSL menu.
 All you have to do is point it to FOP.bat. I guess you could call this a
 visual tool. But I'm going to guess that what the original poster is
 looking for is some kind of a WYSIWIG PDF editor that manipulates the
 underlying FO? That would be a pretty intense project.

 Do you think Adobe will ever implement a built-in fop processor? The
 Acrobat plug-in could come to life any time the browser comes across a .fo
 file, just like it does now when it sees a .pdf. Any pages that require
 precise coloring, layout, pagination, etc. would be candidates for
 conversion from html to fo. Definitely some interesting possibilities here.
 I suppose people could be doing the same thing now if they have Exchange,
 but when you can make little changes through a text editor it's a lot more
 convenient.


 You'd think they'd be all for it since it could drastically increase PDF
 viewing on the web. Although I guess it could cut into sales of their
 full-version Acrobat (what used to be called Exchange). So what part of it
 would they sell? Hmmm. Can even they do this within the licensing rules of
 this project?


 -Matt

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  From: Charles Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:56 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: no visual tool for FOP?
 
 
  Hi team
 
  This is also something I am curious about. Here are two
  embryonic ideas -
  can anyone see any merit in them?
 
  1   XMLSpy seems to have the ability to convert a Word
  document to XML. Could
  XSLT be used to transform this XML to FO, and thence to PDF?
  Then Word could
  be used as the visual tool.
 
  2   Sun's new Star Office apparently saves files as XML (see
  http://xml.coverpages.org/starOfficeXML.html ). Could the
  word processor
  from StarOffice be used as the visual tool?
 
  By the way, XMLSpy mentions support or fop - does anyone have
  experience
  with this?
 
  Regards -
  Charles Palmer
 
  Technical Director, DSP Design Ltd
  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  7 Tapton Park Innovation Centre, Brimington Rd, Chesterfield
  S41 0TZ, UK
  ph: +44 (0) 1246 545 918
 
 
 
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RE: no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-18 Thread Matthias Fischer

If you edit text in a structured way, i.e. using soft formattings instead of
hard ones, you can use any tool as a structured editor - for flat
structures, because e.g. both Word and StarOFfice can apply soft formats
(styles) only sequentially. You can have some algorithm to bring a deeper
structure into the data material afterwards by using context information for
processing it. But then you'll have certain problems to get the data back
into Word, if required. However, under certain circumstances, which may be
today's requirements of any percentage between 30 and 90% of companies, the
workflows is the (a) cheapest (b) most easily accepted (c) quickest.

We use a Word2XML converter that strips Word data from anything that is
format information. Styles are mapped to tags, and format information is
added later with FO. It's likely that people like you and I work with
XMLSpy, but I want to see that book author or machine engineer who is going
into the trouble of abandoning his or her beloved Word environment. At least
this is today's situation in my country. I don't know, how people will be
used to work tomorrow, or are used to work already in other countries.

Matthias


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Hi team

This is also something I am curious about. Here are two embryonic ideas -
can anyone see any merit in them?

1   XMLSpy seems to have the ability to convert a Word document to XML. Could
XSLT be used to transform this XML to FO, and thence to PDF? Then Word could
be used as the visual tool.

2   Sun's new Star Office apparently saves files as XML (see
http://xml.coverpages.org/starOfficeXML.html ). Could the word processor
from StarOffice be used as the visual tool?

By the way, XMLSpy mentions support or fop - does anyone have experience
with this?

Regards -
Charles Palmer

Technical Director, DSP Design Ltd
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7 Tapton Park Innovation Centre, Brimington Rd, Chesterfield S41 0TZ, UK
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RE: no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-16 Thread Charles Palmer

Hi team

This is also something I am curious about. Here are two embryonic ideas -
can anyone see any merit in them?

1   XMLSpy seems to have the ability to convert a Word document to XML. Could
XSLT be used to transform this XML to FO, and thence to PDF? Then Word could
be used as the visual tool.

2   Sun's new Star Office apparently saves files as XML (see
http://xml.coverpages.org/starOfficeXML.html ). Could the word processor
from StarOffice be used as the visual tool?

By the way, XMLSpy mentions support or fop - does anyone have experience
with this?

Regards -
Charles Palmer

Technical Director, DSP Design Ltd
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7 Tapton Park Innovation Centre, Brimington Rd, Chesterfield S41 0TZ, UK
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no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-12 Thread Huaxin Zhang

I am wondering if there is no way for users 
to generate WISWIG xsl:fo files? 

like for HTML, users would use Dreamweaver, rather
than writing programs Document doc.addElement(new Table(...)).

I think it should be the same for PDF. Is there
any program that intakes a parsed XHTML and convert it to
PDF?  (I doult all PDF is generated using hand written xsl:fo)...


thanks a lot!



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Re: no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-12 Thread jthaemlitz


You could try checking out XSLFAST (http://www.xslfast.com/) that Stephan's
been working on.

JohnPT



   
  
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I am wondering if there is no way for users
to generate WISWIG xsl:fo files?

like for HTML, users would use Dreamweaver, rather
than writing programs Document doc.addElement(new Table(...)).

I think it should be the same for PDF. Is there
any program that intakes a parsed XHTML and convert it to
PDF?  (I doult all PDF is generated using hand written xsl:fo)...


thanks a lot!



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RE: no visual tool for FOP?

2001-11-12 Thread Joshua.Kuswadi

 I am wondering if there is no way for users
 to generate WISWIG xsl:fo files?

 like for HTML, users would use Dreamweaver, rather
 than writing programs Document doc.addElement(new Table(...)).


HP released something recently. I haven't tried it, but you can find it here:
http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/fabgia/foa/foa.html
 
Joshua

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