merging two libraries

2002-03-12 Thread bruno
Hello all,
I'm not familiar with FOP, but I can't help noticing
that people are moving from FOP to iText and vice versa. 

As original developer of iText, a JAVA-PDF library, I already
proposed you guys at Apache twice to join forces and to combine
both libraries. I now subscribe to this mailing list only to
ask you a third time to reconsider your refusal. 

Please read these mails from some iText/FOP users:
http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/8175/0/8071577/
http://www.mail-archive.com/itext-questions%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg00491 
.html 

Please send your answers to the iText mailing list.
You don't need to subscribe, I will pass them through.
Remark: sorry, but due to the lack of time to read all
my mail as it is, I will now unsubscribe from the FOP
mailing list. 

kind regards,
Bruno Lowagie


Re: merging two libraries

2002-03-12 Thread Keiron Liddle
Hi,
From the archives it appears that the discussion on the fop-dev list was 
about 2 years ago (no apparent refusal though). It is certainly time to 
revisit.

From the small amount of information I know about iText it would appear 
to be a more advanced pdf library.
I don't know what the license issues might be.

What sort of joining forces are you proposing?
Please send to the fop-dev list for further discussion.
Regards,
Keiron.
On 2002.03.12 09:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
I'm not familiar with FOP, but I can't help noticing
that people are moving from FOP to iText and vice versa. As original 
developer of iText, a JAVA-PDF library, I already
proposed you guys at Apache twice to join forces and to combine
both libraries. I now subscribe to this mailing list only to
ask you a third time to reconsider your refusal. Please read these mails 
from some iText/FOP users:
http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/8175/0/8071577/
http://www.mail-archive.com/itext-questions%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg00491 
.html Please send your answers to the iText mailing list.
You don't need to subscribe, I will pass them through.
Remark: sorry, but due to the lack of time to read all
my mail as it is, I will now unsubscribe from the FOP
mailing list. kind regards,
Bruno Lowagie


FW: [iText-questions] Re: merging two libraries

2002-03-12 Thread New, Cecil (GEAE)
My suggestion was *not* to merge the two!

iText is a Java API with a document creation focus.  In this day and age,
XSL:FO can be viewed as just another document type - in the same way that
more proprietary or older formats are (that is, PDF, RTF, etc.).

Now XSL:FO is different in that you can't just double click on one and see
something.  But the FOP project comes close.

Making iText (optionally) output xsl:fo would greatly extend its potential
applications and make it squarely standards based.

I would like to think that someday, StarOffice, Wordperfect, etc. would
either natively use xsl:fo as their file storage format or at least be able
to import it.

Having something like iText that *programatically* create documents is very
exciting!

-Original Message-
From: Keiron Liddle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: fop-dev@xml.apache.org; itext-questions@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [iText-questions] Re: merging two libraries


Hi,

 From the archives it appears that the discussion on the fop-dev list was 
about 2 years ago (no apparent refusal though). It is certainly time to 
revisit.

 From the small amount of information I know about iText it would appear 
to be a more advanced pdf library.
I don't know what the license issues might be.

What sort of joining forces are you proposing?

Please send to the fop-dev list for further discussion.

Regards,
Keiron.


On 2002.03.12 09:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I'm not familiar with FOP, but I can't help noticing
 that people are moving from FOP to iText and vice versa. As original 
 developer of iText, a JAVA-PDF library, I already
 proposed you guys at Apache twice to join forces and to combine
 both libraries. I now subscribe to this mailing list only to
 ask you a third time to reconsider your refusal. Please read these mails 
 from some iText/FOP users:
 http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/8175/0/8071577/

http://www.mail-archive.com/itext-questions%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg00491

 .html Please send your answers to the iText mailing list.
 You don't need to subscribe, I will pass them through.
 Remark: sorry, but due to the lack of time to read all
 my mail as it is, I will now unsubscribe from the FOP
 mailing list. kind regards,
 Bruno Lowagie

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Re: [iText-questions] Re: merging two libraries

2002-03-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: New, Cecil (GEAE) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 My suggestion was *not* to merge the two!

 iText is a Java API with a document creation focus.  In this day and age,
 XSL:FO can be viewed as just another document type - in the same way that
 more proprietary or older formats are (that is, PDF, RTF, etc.).

Sorry if it's a bit off-topic, but this issue is similar to the one we just
managed to handle between POI (http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/) and Cocoon
(http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/).

POI is a project that makes it possible to read-write common office file
formats in Java.
Cocoon is an XML processing framework-server.

The POI team donated a Cocoon component that uses POI and outputs XML, but
on the Cocoon side, committers saw too much POI code in it.

Basically we understood that a project to read-write a file format should
have a solid Java API. Other projects can use it to produce other results.
Merging is not the best solution, both for developers and users.


Re: merging two libraries

2002-03-12 Thread Alex McLintock
At 08:27 12/03/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
 I'm not familiar with FOP, but I can't help noticing
 that people are moving from FOP to iText and vice versa.
 As original developer of iText, a JAVA-PDF library, I already
 proposed you guys at Apache twice to join forces and to combine
 both libraries. I now subscribe to this mailing list only to
 ask you a third time to reconsider your refusal.

Bruno - Relax! Your antagonistic attitude does you no service.
I've been trying to look after the FOP FAQ for nearly a year now and although
I was aware of your software I had no knowledge that you were interested in 
joining forces.

Please learn a bit more about how Apache developers work. You can start off 
by joining the fop-dev mailing list which is of course better than the 
fop-user list for contacting the fop developers.




 Remark: sorry, but due to the lack of time to read all
 my mail as it is, I will now unsubscribe from the FOP mailing list.

Bruno - do you know how rude this is? You want to join forces but you 
wont even stay subscribed to the mailing list?

My comments are my own and do not reflect the FOP software developers.
Alex McLintock