Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Rob Sargent
Agree. As I mentioned in my RESOVED mail, we have remove the underlying black which somehow seeped through in Evince and for the print shop. Thanks for your efforts. I think there is an issue, but whose it is is not clear to me and we think we're past the pain point. Cheers, rjs On 11/0

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Luis Bernardo
yes, I see the problem. it is indeed strange but I think it is the result of the fact that each cell is painted independently and even though they touch each other (the common edges of adjacent cells have exactly the same coordinates) the viewer (and apparently your printer) create an "artifi

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Rob Sargent
Hopefully this latest one is more direct. On 11/08/2012 04:00 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: what i said about maximally minimizing your test FO; when you don't do so, you lead devs astray On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Rob Sargent > wrote: Please find attached a n

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Glenn Adams
what i said about maximally minimizing your test FO; when you don't do so, you lead devs astray On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Rob Sargent wrote: > Please find attached a new fo which defines the sidebar for the left > pages only. The blue column will show the four lines separating each row,

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Rob Sargent
Please find attached a new fo which defines the sidebar for the left pages only. The blue column will show the four lines separating each row, at least in Evince 3.4.0 (using poppler/cairo(0.18.4)) On 11/08/2012 03:19 PM, Luis Bernardo wrote: Rob, I looked with more time at this issue and I

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Rob Sargent
When I reviewed sidebar.fo, I completely neglected the colours and borders added for debug purposes (oh so long ago). Let me get you a clean version. The "spurious lines" appear in the column which is not spanned by the "inner" cell in the first row. On 11/08/2012 03:19 PM, Luis Bernardo wr

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Luis Bernardo
Rob, I looked with more time at this issue and I think that my previous statement that I was seeing lines where they should not be was incorrect. I think they should be there because they are in the *fo source! It is true that no lines appear with Adobe, but they are visible both with Mac's

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem? RESOLVED

2012-11-08 Thread Rob Sargent
We use iText as well as FOP in producing our printable product. Some pages get a black background from iText (certain graphics look better that way). When the black background is under the sidebar (as made with the referenced sidebar.fo) the nuisance-some inter-cell lines expose the black unde

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Glenn Adams
remove elements/attrs until the problem goes away and only comes back when adding the element/attr just removed (no matter what else is removed) On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Rob Sargent wrote: > I have reviewed the sidebar.fo and it really cannot be substantially > reduced. It simply fills

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Rob Sargent
I have reviewed the sidebar.fo and it really cannot be substantially reduced. It simply fills the "outer edge" of our pages - region-start or region end - with a narrow two-column, five-row table stretching the length of the page. The inner column is just spacer and the outer column gets the

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Rob Sargent
Thank you Luis I may have to embed a table within a table as you suggest. Or perhaps I can play with "layers" and z-values. Any other hints appreciated. rjs On 11/05/2012 04:09 PM, Luis Bernardo wrote: I assume you refer to the sidebar.fo sample. As you said, the lines are not visible in

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Luis Bernardo
I assume you refer to the sidebar.fo sample. As you said, the lines are not visible in Adobe. They are visible in Mac's own Preview though. I looked at the *.fo and although I don't understand what you are trying to achieve I do see that the output in Preview is not what I would expect. Can y

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Rob Sargent
As you saw in the referenced original thread, the problem was in the viewer (Evince in particular). Now it appears that some (only the outter edge) of the spurious lines have made it to the printed page, where as before the did not. There is an fo producing the table in question however our ult

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Glenn Adams
As you point out, this is a problem you saw with 1.0 and now see with 1.1, so it isn't a first communique. In any case, I'd rather have a bug report with test input/output files to evaluate. It's easier to close a non-bug than to evaluate a query that is absent the necessary data to properly evalua

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Rob Sargent
I have no intention of circumventing normal processes, though I'm surprised that your recommended first communique is to submit a bug rather than pose a question. Is this the general consensus? I don't know if there is a bug - there wasn't a year ago. Some behaviour seems to have changed sinc

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Glenn Adams
file a bug and attach the files if you wish a dev to evaluate; personally, i ignore requests on fop-users that attempt to circumvent the normal bug reporting process On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Rob Sargent wrote: > > Correction: the referenced previous post did include an fo of the table >

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Rob Sargent
Correction: the referenced previous post did include an fo of the table in question. rjs On 11/05/2012 12:38 PM, Rob Sargent wrote: Glenn, My apologies for not including relevant fo etc but the original post I referenced didn't need them, explained the situation well enough for at least

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Rob Sargent
Glenn, My apologies for not including relevant fo etc but the original post I referenced didn't need them, explained the situation well enough for at least one available savant and I am only asking if there is (another) silent change in the pdf output irrespective of any fo input. (The othe

Re: Inter-cell lines no longer "spurious" pdf viewer problem?

2012-11-05 Thread Glenn Adams
Rob, I'm sure you realize nobody can respond to such a query unless they can read your mind to learn the input you used and the output you are seeing. Since such skills are hard to come by, I'd suggest you *always* provide sample input and output files when asking such a question. We devs are very