Hello, about fop

2006-03-07 Thread chinlu chinawa
Hi guys,

I've been around the installation of trunk's version of FOP, which I've
ended up by not being able to use beacuse of my system is too old
(libc-2.2, gcc 2.95.3), and the java version you've lately updated to,
doesn't run here.

Actually, the only version I'd able to use, would be 0.20.5. The thing
is this version doesn't respect my custom footers (the body overrides
it), body text doesn't start neither at the same possition when using
this footers, etc.

So I'm just wondering whether could anyone please tell about other resources? 

I'd like to be able to generate nice-looking documents, I mean with svg
or anyother scalable imaging format, etc. For this time, I'll be
publishing in C5 (paper size), don't know whether this would a problem
or not.

I understand dockbook/XML-XSLT/SGML-DSSSL and it's customization layers
as a good way of working, although I'd like an expert to advise me. 

I'd be working on a pdf output basis or any other format that would be
better for a press to work with. I'm within a linux system, and have no
troubles at all when starting to learn all over again, tex or any other
format any one could advise me as the most proffesional one when
dealing with presses (is that how you call those places that actually
print out your book, isn't it?), sorry my english anyway. 

I've been for a while away from any of this, but I do remember there
are formats such as dvi, postscript, I know one can have pdf from sgml
+ jadetex, that one can use it even with dsssl or xslt style-sheets
(IIRC). 

I'd really appreciate, though, if someone could advise when getting
into something that's gonna be stable, robust, and is not gonna break
any of my work beacuse of thirdy-party dependencies, whilst being able
to generate good-looking documents as well as dealing with presses, or
printing-presses at highest level.

Kind Regards,




Re: Hello, about fop

2006-03-07 Thread chinlu chinawa
Well, I got both jdk, and jre installed (1_3_1_17), I
mean, the did decompress.

They need at least glibc-2.2.4, whilst mine is 2.2.1.
Could not even build fop because of this, therefore
there's no way it would run either, so I got rid of
all.

I wouldn't say this is any odd problem at all, but a
simple glibc dependency issue, though. 

My compiler and glibc are a bit older, as in my
opninion, nobody needs a glibc eating a hundred more
megabytes of memory after each release, and I can
compile new applications as they come out (and I need
them), but the rest of my system is up to date, and
haven't had any problem I couldn't solve. 

Anyway, I've only used java because of fop, and is
just that we don't need to, this is unix.

Ahm, yes I'm sure that 0.91 is a proper production
tool, but I cannot say same of 0.20.5. It's alright
for simple documents, though. But when you start
dealing with tables, or footers or headers, and you
need precision, there's no way, or that's been my
experience.

Well, you didn't point out me anywhere, I've been
reading about tex, and it looks quite powerfull and
robust, I whish I would have started with it from the
begining, so I'll do it now.

Best Regards guys,




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Re: Hello, about fop

2006-03-07 Thread b . ohnsorg

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 I understand dockbook/XML-XSLT/SGML-DSSSL and it's
 customization layers as a good way of working,
 although I'd like an expert to advise me.

http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/index.html

 I'd be working on a pdf output basis or any other
 format that would be better for a press to work with.
 I'm within a linux system, and have no troubles at all
 when starting to learn all over again, tex or any
 other format any one could advise me as the most
 proffesional one when dealing with presses (is that
 how you call those places that actually print out your
 book, isn't it?), sorry my english anyway.

Dunno what this all about, I only use fop 0.91, even on a HP-UX 11 and I also 
rendered fancy svg into PDF-outputs. My only advice would be: 
OpenOffice-Export As «SVG»-insert into FO (or docbook-resource, have a look 
at the mediaobject) and run fop. Maybe it's not the right way to design 
flyers and graphical complex structures. Therefore leave the fo-step and export 
directly from OpenOffice...(if it runs on your box, at all). TeX and LaTeX is a 
bit more complicated, try starting with LyX, if it compiles/runs on your 
glibc-whatever *g*









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Hello, about fop

2006-03-06 Thread chinlu chinawa
Hi,

I've been around the installation of trunk's version
of FOP, which I've ended up by not being able to use
beacuse of my system is too old (libc-2.2, gcc
2.95.3), and the java version you've lately updated
to, doesn't run here.

Actually, very likely, the only version I'd able to
use, would be 0.20.5. The thing is this version
doesn't respect my custom footers (the body overrides
it), body text doesn't start neither at the same
possition when using this footers, etc.

So I'm just wondering whether could anyone please tell
about other resources?

I'd like to be able to generate nice-looking
documents, I mean with svg or anyother scalable
imaging format, etc. For this time, I'll be publishing
in C5 (paper size), don't know whether this would a
problem or not.

I understand dockbook/XML-XSLT/SGML-DSSSL and it's
customization layers as a good way of working,
although I'd like an expert to advise me.

I'd be working on a pdf output basis or any other
format that would be better for a press to work with.
I'm within a linux system, and have no troubles at all
when starting to learn all over again, tex or any
other format any one could advise me as the most
proffesional one when dealing with presses (is that
how you call those places that actually print out your
book, isn't it?), sorry my english anyway.

I've been for a while away from any of this, but I do
remember there are formats such as dvi, postscript, I
know one can have pdf from sgml + jadetex, that one
can use it even with dsssl or xslt style-sheets
(IIRC).

I'd really appreciate, though, if someone could advise
when getting into something that's gonna be stable,
robust, and is not gonna break any of my work beacuse
of thirdy-party dependencies (don't want to bother off
anyone, I just mean and independent doc-system),
whilst being able to generate good-looking documents
as well as dealing with presses, or printing-presses
at a highest level, probably a backend for postscript
whatever it is, don't really know how it works
nowadays.

Kind Regards,





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Re: Hello, about fop

2006-03-06 Thread Jeremias Maerki
So, you can't install at least a JDK 1.3.1? That would seem very odd.

Many people work with DocBook and FOP 0.20.5 or FOP 0.91beta and seem to
be relatively happy. There are some issues, yes, but the problems you
describe are, to my knowledge, not among them. I'm not sure how to help
you any further here.

On 06.03.2006 23:39:29 chinlu chinawa wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I've been around the installation of trunk's version
 of FOP, which I've ended up by not being able to use
 beacuse of my system is too old (libc-2.2, gcc
 2.95.3), and the java version you've lately updated
 to, doesn't run here.

 Actually, very likely, the only version I'd able to
 use, would be 0.20.5. The thing is this version
 doesn't respect my custom footers (the body overrides
 it), body text doesn't start neither at the same
 possition when using this footers, etc.

 So I'm just wondering whether could anyone please tell
 about other resources?
 
 I'd like to be able to generate nice-looking
 documents, I mean with svg or anyother scalable
 imaging format, etc. For this time, I'll be publishing
 in C5 (paper size), don't know whether this would a
 problem or not.
 
 I understand dockbook/XML-XSLT/SGML-DSSSL and it's
 customization layers as a good way of working,
 although I'd like an expert to advise me.
 
 I'd be working on a pdf output basis or any other
 format that would be better for a press to work with.
 I'm within a linux system, and have no troubles at all
 when starting to learn all over again, tex or any
 other format any one could advise me as the most
 proffesional one when dealing with presses (is that
 how you call those places that actually print out your
 book, isn't it?), sorry my english anyway.
 
 I've been for a while away from any of this, but I do
 remember there are formats such as dvi, postscript, I
 know one can have pdf from sgml + jadetex, that one
 can use it even with dsssl or xslt style-sheets
 (IIRC).
 
 I'd really appreciate, though, if someone could advise
 when getting into something that's gonna be stable,
 robust, and is not gonna break any of my work beacuse
 of thirdy-party dependencies (don't want to bother off
 anyone, I just mean and independent doc-system),
 whilst being able to generate good-looking documents
 as well as dealing with presses, or printing-presses
 at a highest level, probably a backend for postscript
 whatever it is, don't really know how it works
 nowadays.



Jeremias Maerki


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