Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not, obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-05 Thread Arnel Legaspi
On 6/5/2014 1:20 AM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM, B Harderbrad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, non-propagating tags are also checkout-able items. What am I missing about bookmarks that we can't already enjoy w/ tags, outside of new syntax ? Here's

[fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Nico Williams
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: Mercurial too had heavy-duty branches only, then they added bookmarks that are very similar to git branches. Since a bookmark is just a

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: Mercurial too had heavy-duty branches only, then they added

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: f merge bk:trunk typo, but you get the idea. -- - stephan beal http://wanderinghorse.net/home/stephan/ http://gplus.to/sgbeal Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of those who insist

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Richard Hipp
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: Mercurial too had heavy-duty branches only, then they added

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread B Harder
Indeed, non-propagating tags are also checkout-able items. What am I missing about bookmarks that we can't already enjoy w/ tags, outside of new syntax ? -bch On 6/4/14, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Richard Hipp
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, non-propagating tags are also checkout-able items. What am I missing about bookmarks that we can't already enjoy w/ tags, outside of new syntax ? Here's something that you get for free with Fossil's model that

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:53 PM, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, non-propagating tags are also checkout-able items. What am I missing about bookmarks that we can't already enjoy w/ tags, outside of new syntax ? i envision them as being lightweight, i.e. local, non-versioned.

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, non-propagating tags are also checkout-able items. What am I missing about bookmarks that we can't already enjoy w/ tags, outside of new syntax

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread B Harder
Because the internet can be a poor medium to express emotional intent, let me preface this with: Stephan, you know I have the utmost respect for your coding chops, and we _mostly_ fall in line wrt design philosophy. That said: I'm shaking my head, wondering why? My current mental image is:

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread B Harder
sb fossil bk add xp experimental:2011-06-04 I can imagine this being useful at least occasionally. I'm still loathe to include it in core fossil, but it'd be a great task for a little tool. -bch On 6/4/14, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Because the internet can be a poor medium to

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:21 PM, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: sb fossil bk add xp experimental:2011-06-04 I can imagine this being useful at least occasionally. I'm still loathe to include it in core fossil, but it'd be a great task for a little tool. In the core, basically the

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Nico Williams
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: Bookmarks. That's a nice idea, actually. Added to my TODO list. i

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: To be truly useful it has to be possible to [selectively] push/pull bookmarks. If that's the case then they really provide no benefits over propagating tags (which are versioned), but note that Fossil cannot

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Nico Williams
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:53 AM, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, non-propagating tags are also checkout-able items. What am I missing about bookmarks that we can't already enjoy w/ tags, outside of new syntax ? In git, tags and branches are both very light-weight bookmark-like

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Nico Williams
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: In the core, basically the only addition would be adding another block to symbolic_name_to_rid(), which simply expands the ... part from bk:... from the bookmark list, then runs that result through through

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Nico Williams
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: To be truly useful it has to be possible to [selectively] push/pull bookmarks. If that's the case then they really provide no benefits over

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: - when you checkout a tag and then commit something, the tag doesn't move with the HEAD of your workspace -- you're in detached HEAD mode when you checkout a tag - when you checkout a branch and you commit

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Richard Hipp
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: To be truly useful it has to be possible to [selectively]

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Joel Bruick
Nico Williams wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Bealsgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Nico Williamsn...@cryptonector.com wrote: Mercurial too had heavy-duty branches only, then they added bookmarks that are very similar to git branches. Since a

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Joel Bruick
Scott Robison wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Joel Bruick j...@joelface.com mailto:j...@joelface.com wrote: I think Git is a great, powerful, and flexible tool that actually has a much simpler design than it initially appears. But to get to a place where you actually

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Scott Robison
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Joel Bruick j...@joelface.com wrote: Consider it yours. Thanks. Final form: OH: To understand Git's design takes 99x more effort than 99% of software. Once you get to that point it's wonderful! // Too true! Curse the 140 character limit! :) -- Scott Robison

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Scott Robison
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: I really want to steal this in tweet form: To get to a place where you understand Git's design takes 99x more effort than 99% of software. Once

Re: [fossil-users] Bookmarks (Re: git-fossil-git does not obtain the same commit hashes.)

2014-06-04 Thread Joel Bruick
Scott Robison wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org mailto:d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com mailto:sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: I really want to steal this in tweet form: To