Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-26 Thread B Harder
Quotable:
I must say that Fossil is the best thing to happen
to my development workflow this year, as I am pretty sure that using
Git has resulted in the premature death of too many of my brain cells.
I'm glad to be able to replace Git in every place that I possibly can
with Fossil.
 On Jul 25, 2014 6:18 PM, Joe Prostko joe.pros...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations!   I must say that Fossil is the best thing to happen
 to my development workflow this year, as I am pretty sure that using
 Git has resulted in the premature death of too many of my brain cells.
 I'm glad to be able to replace Git in every place that I possibly can
 with Fossil.

 The occasion of the seven year anniversary reminds me of something
 I've been meaning to ask on the list.  It has been asked in the past
 according to my check of the archives, but is there any chance you
 would be willing to go on Floss Weekly and talk about Fossil?  I know
 that you were on there to talk about SQLite quite some time ago, but I
 would love for there to be a show featuring Fossil.  I know that
 Randal's current way for projects to get on the show is that he will
 only schedule a time if the project leader(s) contacts him directly.
 In any case, I hope you will consider going on the show (alone or with
 another core committer), as it would be a great way to let more people
 know about the awesomeness that is Fossil.

 - joe

 On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote:
  The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code
 was
  this past Monday.  Time flies.
 
  The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac (http://www.cvstrac.org/)
  which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system built atop CVS.  CVSTrac
 became
  the inspiration for Trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which
 is a
  similar tool for SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which
 is
  still in active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features
  needed in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with
 CVS+CVSTrac,
  or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration
 management
  system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of Fossil for a
 year
  or more prior to the first self-commit on 2007-07-21, but none of those
  early prototypes survive.
 
  Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between the
  CVSTrac and Fossil source codes.  There is a clear genetic relationship
  between the two systems.
 
  Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of
 SQLite.
  (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The SQLite
  documentation sources (
 http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01)
  were split off from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a
 few
  months after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code
 did
  not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite
  version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The
 move
  from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.
 
  CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years.  To my
  knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known
 user
  of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 2013.)
 Fossil
  will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and Fossil has a
 great
  deal more momentum and a much larger user base than CVSTrac ever had.
 
  --
  D. Richard Hipp
  d...@sqlite.org
 
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Stephan Beal
Congratulations on an undisputably successful project :)

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote:

 CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years.  To my
 knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known user
 of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 2013.) Fossil
 will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and Fossil has a great
 deal more momentum and a much larger user base than CVSTrac ever had.


With libfossil slowly taking shape, i think there's still a lot more
momentum to build...

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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Gour
Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org writes:

 The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code was
 this past Monday.  Time flies.

Congratulations, Richard!!

The (D)VCS world would be much poorer without existance of Fossil: ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Miles Fidelman

Happy Birthday to Fossil and congratulations to Richard!

Miles Fidelman

Richard Hipp wrote:
The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code 
was this past Monday.  Time flies.


The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac 
(http://www.cvstrac.org/) which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system 
built atop CVS. CVSTrac became the inspiration for Trac 
(http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which is a similar tool for 
SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which is still in 
active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features needed 
in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with CVS+CVSTrac, 
or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration 
management system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of 
Fossil for a year or more prior to the first self-commit on 
2007-07-21, but none of those early prototypes survive.


Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between 
the CVSTrac and Fossil source codes. There is a clear genetic 
relationship between the two systems.


Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of 
SQLite.  (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The 
SQLite documentation sources 
(http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01) were split off 
from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a few months 
after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code did 
not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite 
version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The 
move from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.


CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years. To my 
knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known 
user of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 
2013.) Fossil will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and 
Fossil has a great deal more momentum and a much larger user base than 
CVSTrac ever had.


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d...@sqlite.org mailto:d...@sqlite.org


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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Philip Bennefall
I only discovered Fossil about 3 months ago, but I'm already very 
comfortable using it and have switched all my projects to it. I came 
from SVN and haven't looked back once.


Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall
On 7/25/2014 5:57 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code 
was this past Monday.  Time flies.


The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac 
(http://www.cvstrac.org/) which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system 
built atop CVS. CVSTrac became the inspiration for Trac 
(http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which is a similar tool for 
SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which is still in 
active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features needed 
in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with CVS+CVSTrac, 
or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration 
management system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of 
Fossil for a year or more prior to the first self-commit on 
2007-07-21, but none of those early prototypes survive.


Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between 
the CVSTrac and Fossil source codes. There is a clear genetic 
relationship between the two systems.


Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of 
SQLite.  (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The 
SQLite documentation sources 
(http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01) were split off 
from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a few months 
after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code did 
not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite 
version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The 
move from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.


CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years. To my 
knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known 
user of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 
2013.) Fossil will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and 
Fossil has a great deal more momentum and a much larger user base than 
CVSTrac ever had.


--
D. Richard Hipp
d...@sqlite.org mailto:d...@sqlite.org


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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Ron W
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Michai Ramakers m.ramak...@gmail.com
wrote:

 (one
 CVSTrac thing which I still miss in some more fancypants
 issue-trackers is the concept of ticket-groups).


You could probably do that in Fossil by adding additional ticket fields and
customizing the TH1 ticket handling code.

Shortly after I discovered Fossil, I customized the ticket handling to work
with our process flow. I posted an early version of that to this list -
about 2.5 years ago.
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Joe Prostko
Congratulations!   I must say that Fossil is the best thing to happen
to my development workflow this year, as I am pretty sure that using
Git has resulted in the premature death of too many of my brain cells.
I'm glad to be able to replace Git in every place that I possibly can
with Fossil.

The occasion of the seven year anniversary reminds me of something
I've been meaning to ask on the list.  It has been asked in the past
according to my check of the archives, but is there any chance you
would be willing to go on Floss Weekly and talk about Fossil?  I know
that you were on there to talk about SQLite quite some time ago, but I
would love for there to be a show featuring Fossil.  I know that
Randal's current way for projects to get on the show is that he will
only schedule a time if the project leader(s) contacts him directly.
In any case, I hope you will consider going on the show (alone or with
another core committer), as it would be a great way to let more people
know about the awesomeness that is Fossil.

- joe

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote:
 The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code was
 this past Monday.  Time flies.

 The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac (http://www.cvstrac.org/)
 which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system built atop CVS.  CVSTrac became
 the inspiration for Trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which is a
 similar tool for SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which is
 still in active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features
 needed in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with CVS+CVSTrac,
 or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration management
 system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of Fossil for a year
 or more prior to the first self-commit on 2007-07-21, but none of those
 early prototypes survive.

 Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between the
 CVSTrac and Fossil source codes.  There is a clear genetic relationship
 between the two systems.

 Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of SQLite.
 (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The SQLite
 documentation sources (http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01)
 were split off from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a few
 months after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code did
 not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite
 version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The move
 from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.

 CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years.  To my
 knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known user
 of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 2013.) Fossil
 will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and Fossil has a great
 deal more momentum and a much larger user base than CVSTrac ever had.

 --
 D. Richard Hipp
 d...@sqlite.org

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