Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-04-02 Thread Ray Saintonge
Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: I am sceptical about automatic conversion. As you said, it is mainly a solution for reading, but not for writing, because the source text is in one specific spelling or character system.

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-04-02 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: I am sceptical about automatic conversion. As you said, it is mainly a solution for reading, but not for writing,

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-04-02 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: - a split of the Wikipedias into two; this is most likely when there are other linguistic differences e.g. in dictionary. Dictionary is not a problem. This is the option for Ekavian-Iyekavian conversion engine for

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-04-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Aryeh, Your idea of converting on the fly would not work in many cases. Take for example the ß in German WP. Swiss (registered) readers can decide via their Preferences to see only ss and never ß, because the Swiss do not use ß. That's ok. But vice versa, not every ss is to be converted to

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-04-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:49 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: When you declare one version canonical the risk is that you will have supporters of the losing version(s) becoming irrationally angry. Which version was canonical is an implementation detail that wouldn't even be visible

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-04-02 Thread Tim Starling
Ziko van Dijk wrote: Dear Aryeh, Your idea of converting on the fly would not work in many cases. Take for example the ß in German WP. Swiss (registered) readers can decide via their Preferences to see only ss and never ß, because the Swiss do not use ß. That's ok. But vice versa, not every

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-04-02 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect this would be feasible to get working to an acceptable level, but only with a lot of effort.  Natural languages are really messy.  :( If you treat words as strings, they are really messy, yes. But, if