Re: [Foundation-l] Font support for our domains

2009-10-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, In your question the key thing to appreciate is that it is the .org part that does not need to be in the Latin script any more. What I propose is that we support the whole wikipedia.org part and wiktionary.org part once in each script. What the word is for Wikipedia is not my call. This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Font support for our domains

2009-10-31 Thread Samuel Klein
I see. So you'd like to see double the number of site registrations; in this case adding 维基百科.o?r?g? to zh.wikipedia.org That strikes me as a significant expense for uncertain result; but it would make a good strategy proposal -- especially if you can find users from ar, zh, ru, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Font support for our domains

2009-10-31 Thread Peter Gervai
By the way Hungary supports accented domains for some years now and the experience shows that they are not used at all. Penetration is so low that I couldn't even tell you one to test. (We have, for example http://wikipédia.hu/, but it's rather a test than a real usage.) Apart from that

Re: [Foundation-l] Font support for our domains

2009-10-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Hungarian Wikipedia is written in the Latin script so the experience cannot be compared. Thanks, GerardM 2009/10/31 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com By the way Hungary supports accented domains for some years now and the experience shows that they are not used at all. Penetration

Re: [Foundation-l] Font support for our domains

2009-10-31 Thread Marcus Buck
Do you need to register domains under these new internationalised TLDs? To me it seems to be the obvious solution, that the internationalised TLDs will be aliases to the existing ones. So wikipedia.cn and 维基百科. c?n? will point to the same target. That's how I would solve it and I really see no

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread effe iets anders
I think the community should be and is being treated as a majority shareholder, even better! Office IT support is a typical thing that the community is not affected by AT ALL. So I am not surprised no announcement is being given on foundation-l about this. If any public list would be relevant, it

Re: [Foundation-l] Font support for our domains

2009-10-31 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 08:02, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: The Hungarian Wikipedia is written in the Latin script I'm kind of guessed that. :-] so the experience cannot be compared. It is not the same, but indeed they can be compared. Straight denial doesn't always

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Andrew Turvey
- Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Try to remember that the Wikimedia Foundation is a business... No it isn't - the Foundation is a charity. The Foundation needs to retain the confidence of the Wikimedia community in order to achieve its aims, and the community plays a big role in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/31/2009 8:51:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: where sensationalised rumours get spread because of a lack of accurate information. I think it's a little pre-mature to say that it's a sensationalised rumour speading because of a lack of

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/31 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 10/31/2009 8:51:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: where sensationalised rumours get spread because of a lack of accurate information. I think it's a little pre-mature to say that it's a sensationalised rumour

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/31/2009 12:24:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had been fired. Resigned by mutual agreement is more likely. I guess either a) he didn't fit in in the office, b) the job turned out

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/31 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 10/31/2009 12:24:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had been fired. Resigned by mutual agreement is more likely. I guess either a) he didn't fit in in

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Jimmy Wales
I agree with Lodewijk completely. One of the best reasons for this is simple human dignity. People come and go from jobs all the time, it is neither a scandal, nor a shame. Public speculation about such stuff is offensive and embarassing. Yes, to community-facing positions. Yes, to

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Sebastian Moleski
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: And the reason for speculation is that people first found out by rumor rather than foundation announcement. Basic communication management. Get stuff out before someone else can put their spin on it. I have to disagree. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you even ask that question, let alone expect an answer? Last I checked, no Wikimedian also carried the title of majority shareholder or anything close. You're not entitled to sordid details of personnel management. Try

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had been fired. You correctly qualified that with In my experience people don't usually the first time. In any case, the difference between laid off and

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Nathan
Geni, Thomas and MZMcbride suggest that the Foundation should announce the dismissal of low-impact employees because otherwise the rumor mill will make up stories. Perhaps you're right that the spread of rumors is inevitable, but you don't seem to acknowledge your own role in this. Even so,

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/11/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: Yeah.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment Here in the US, if a company doesn't mind its unemployment tax rate going up, they can do pretty much whatever they want. In the UK, what, if anything, can a company do if they want to redefine a

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/11/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/11/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: In the UK, what, if anything, can a company do if they want

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Gregory Maxwell argues that the Wikimedia Foundation should voluntarily submit to the type of openness required of government agencies; I suspect this is

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/31/2009 12:32:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: It's possible, but since that would require the WMF to intentionally mislead the community and there is no evidence to support it, I think it is unlikely to be the case. That would be true