[Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Milos Rancic
Read http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/25/160236/Contributors-Leaving-Wikipedia-In-Record-Numbers Article is based on Felipe Ortega's research. There are two claims from this article: 1. English-language version of Wikipedia suffered a net loss of 49,000 contributors, compared with a loss of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Read http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/25/160236/Contributors-Leaving-Wikipedia-In-Record-Numbers Article is based on Felipe Ortega's research. There are two claims from this article: 1. English-language version of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, So you have an idea ... please share it and explain why you think it will make a difference. It does not really help to leave with a cliff hanger ... Thanks, GerardM 2009/11/26 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com Read

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: So you have an idea ... please share it and explain why you think it will make a difference. It does not really help to leave with a cliff hanger ... 2009/11/26 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com (Actually, I have

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Your question is not constructive because new rules of the list include the rule that 30 messages per month per person should be a limit. http://strategy.wikimedia.org No posting limit. Little bureaucracy. Ideas welcomed

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please assume good faith.. I am truly interested in good ideas.. It is exactly because I value your opinions that I asked. The fact that there is moderation is intended to prevent unproductive discussions. My intention is to be to the point, clear in my statements and questions and publish as

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Felipe Ortega
--- El jue, 26/11/09, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com escribió: De: Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com Asunto: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: jueves, 26 de

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoe...@yahoo.es wrote: This is Andrew Dalby's quote, not mine. I would like to hear from Felipe clarification of the claim that 49,000 contributors left Wikipedia. If it is so, then en.wp has around ten times more fluctuation of

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-26 Thread wjhonson
I already pointed out that you cannot impose friendliness. Our current state is one in which any particular admin may sit on any particular editor with or without adequate cause and that editor has nearly no power to affect a hearing. There is no advocate for the editors who are not admins.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted...

2009-11-26 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/26/2009 3:39:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, valde...@gmail.com writes: The final solution is that only people who are already expert in the processes can impose their point of view and in fact en.wikipedia don't assure a neutral point of view but the point of view of

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-26 Thread Chad
We had that. They called themselves the Association of Member's Advocates. They were disbanded because everyone saw them as a huge waste of time with 0 net benefit. -Chad On Nov 26, 2009 8:56 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I already pointed out that you cannot impose friendliness. Our current

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-26 Thread Liam Wyatt
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Association_of_Members%27_Advocates As for having some level of who polices the policeman at least on Wikipedia we already have bureaucrats, checkusers, admins, arbitrators, oversighters, stewards... So I'm pretty sure we've got the checks and balances

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-26 Thread Marc Riddell
on 11/26/09 9:06 PM, Chad at innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: We had that. They called themselves the Association of Member's Advocates. They were disbanded because everyone saw them as a huge waste of time with 0 net benefit. Everyone? I'm not familiar with the one you mention, but, let's

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-26 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Nov 26, 2009 8:56 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Any arrested person has the right to an attorney, provided free of charge by the state. That is what we need. Advocate-attorneys who are on the side of the arrested editor. I'm totally okay with discussing this concept, but arguments

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-26 Thread Jiří Hofman
What we really need are highly skilled encyclopedists doing their highly demanding work. What we need is an Office of the Editor Advocate. Any arrested person has the right to an attorney, provided free of charge by the state. That is what we need. Advocate-attorneys who are on the side of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted...

2009-11-26 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:54 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/26/2009 3:39:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, valde...@gmail.com writes: The final solution is that only people who are already expert in the processes can impose their point of view and in fact en.wikipedia don't