Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Tim Starling
Teofilo wrote: > You have probably heard about CO2 and the conference being held these > days in Copenhagen (1). > > You have probably heard about the goal of carbon neutrality at the > Wikimania conference in Gdansk in July 2010 (2). > > You may want to discuss the basic and perhaps naive wishes

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:22 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/12/13 Teofilo : > >> But the best is to use no energy at all : see the OLPC project in >> Afghanistan (A computer with pedals, like the sewing machines of our >> great-great-great-grand-mothers) (1) >> (1) >> http://www.olpcnews.com/coun

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! > In cold countries, energy can have two lives : a first life making > calculations in a computer, or transforming matter (ore into metal, > trees into books), and a second life heating homes. One needs to build-out quite static-energy-output datacenters (e.g. deploy 10MW at once, and don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Domas Mituzas
Dude, I need that strong stuff you're having. > Let me sum this up, The basic optimization is this : > You don't need to transfer that new article in every revision to all > users at all times. There's not much difference between transferring every revision and just some 'good' revisions. > T

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread David Gerard
2009/12/13 Teofilo : > But the best is to use no energy at all : see the OLPC project in > Afghanistan (A computer with pedals, like the sewing machines of our > great-great-great-grand-mothers) (1) > (1) > http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/afghanistan/updates_from_olpc_afghanistan_1.html That'

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Teofilo
2009/12/13, Andre Engels : > I don't think that's a practical solution. It's not because they need > to be cooled that computers cost so much energy - rather the opposite: > they use much energy, and because energy cannot be created or > destroyed, this energy has to go out some way - and that way

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Teofilo
2009/12/12, Geoffrey Plourde : > With regards to Florida, if the servers are in an office building, one way to > >decrease costs might be to reconfigure the environmental systems to use the > >energy from the servers to heat/cool the building. Wikimedia would then be > able >to recoup part of th

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Let me sum this up, The basic optimization is this : You don't need to transfer that new article in every revision to all users at all times. The central server could just say : this is the last revision that has been released by the editors responsible for it, there are 100 edits in process and y

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi!!! > 1. Php is very hard to optimize. No, PHP is much easier to optimize (read - performance oriented refactoring). > 3. Even python is easier to optimize than php. Python's main design idea is readability. What is readable, is easier to refactor too, right? :) > 4. The other questions a

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > Дана Saturday 12 December 2009 17:41:44 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написа: >> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Teofilo wrote: >> > Do we have an idea of the energy consumption related to the online >> > access to a Wikipedia article

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Teofilo wrote: > How about moving the servers (5) from Florida to a cold country > (Alaska, Canada, Finland, Russia) so that they can be used to heat > offices or homes ? It might not be unrealistic as one may read such > things as "the solution was to provide nea

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 12 December 2009 17:41:44 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написа: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Teofilo wrote: > > Do we have an idea of the energy consumption related to the online > > access to a Wikipedia article ? Some people say that a few minutes > > long search on a search