Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Dovi Jacobs
This announcement is a very positive step forward! The members of the language committee deserve great credit for their willingness to re-think these proposals. I am truly grateful, and I'm sure many others who put great effort into trying to improve the language proposal policy last year are

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is fun

2010-03-08 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 03:03, Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: That would require a Sanger/Wales collaboration. Hah! That'd be the day! ;-) g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the consensus to the policy necessary?

2010-03-08 Thread kigen2700...@gmail.com
2010/3/8 Aphaia aph...@gmail.com: Hi, I reviewed his contribs to Japanese Wikipedia and found him post raw (not translated yet) EnWP policy without any effort to building any consensus of the community, before posting to this list. Just for your information. Best, On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the consensus to the policy necessary?

2010-03-08 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:42 AM, kigen2700...@gmail.com kigen2700...@gmail.com wrote: Does Wikipedia's principles need consensus of the community? There is not consensus of the community, but does somebody pass if filled out the page with Policy? There are values which are at the core of

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Dovi Jacobs dovijac...@yahoo.com wrote: This announcement is a very positive step forward! The members of the language committee deserve great credit for their willingness to re-think these proposals. I am truly grateful, and I'm sure many others who put

[Foundation-l] Chinese languages (was: Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages)

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: I find here a wrong assupmtion. First wrong assumption is Written Chinese is not very different for millenniums, they aren't same, and consequently Edo period Japanese who were taught Classical Chinese already found difficulty to

Re: [Foundation-l] Chinese languages (was: Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages)

2010-03-08 Thread Aphaia
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: I find here a wrong assupmtion. First wrong assumption is Written Chinese is not very different for millenniums, they aren't same, and consequently Edo period

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Milos Rancic wrote: A general test for having interface in MediaWiki in some language is: Would the translation of the word file [computer meaning] be understandable for native speakers or for those who are/were using that language as a medium for communication? (I didn't want to say would it

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: What with the living languages that can't pass this test? Living languages can make neologisms and can adopt loan words. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Chinese languages (was: Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages)

2010-03-08 Thread Pharos
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: I find here a wrong assupmtion. First wrong assumption is Written Chinese is not very different

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: This issue was discussed a number of times here. As some changes has happened, you should know that. Requests for Wikisource in Ancient Greek and Coptic have became eligible, as well as request for Ancient Greek Wikiquote.

[Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Dovi Jacobs
Thanks for your reply. It seems to me that in past debate there were two separate issues: 1. Do creation of a wiki require that there be *native* speakers for the language to be considered living? 2. Opposition to neologisms in classical languages, most forcefully and staunchly stated by Gerard.

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with this decision but probably it's better that the communities could change the interface. In my opinion the contributors of an old language may not be able to understand the latin script (IMHO the Greek should

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Dovi Jacobs dovijac...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. With the full acceptance of Latin/Esperanto into the Wikimedia, it seems that the first question has been put to rest (no), despite the current text of the language policy. Esperanto has significant number of native

[Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office hours

2010-03-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi everyone, The next strategic planning office hours are: Tuesday from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: Tuesday, 12-1pm PST Tuesday, 3pm-4pm EST We're now beginning the process of synthesizing the work that's been done so far. Office hours will be a great opportunity to discuss the work that's

[Foundation-l] language differences

2010-03-08 Thread Tyler
Hello everyone! How come the number of articles in each language Wikipedia is so different? I mean, in English, 3,000,000 or so articles. Spanish, about 600,000 articles. Don't encyclopedias deserve to be the same size, no matter what language? Why don't they have automatic translator bots

Re: [Foundation-l] language differences

2010-03-08 Thread masti
Yes they deserve, but there are no editors to write the articles. Forget about autotranslators. They are not able to translate anything except of giving the idea what a text is about. masti On 03/09/2010 12:54 AM, Tyler wrote: Hello everyone! How come the number of articles in each language