On 05/06/2010 11:03 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 6 May 2010 19:00, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote:
The point is that this is an engine for virtual reality, while it is
MMORPG, too. And unlike Second Life, the platform is free software
which anyone would be able to install.
I can’t imagine virtual reality playing a main role in an encyclopedia.
But I see a lot of possibilities in creating learning materials.
When people enroll a real live learning program they are paying for 3
things: For acquiring knowledge; for somebody (or some process) guiding and
Dan Rosenthal wrote:
On May 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM, geni wrote:
3D objects could already be supported as .blend files although we
don't at this point.
But not the manipulation of them in a fully interactive physics based 3d
environment with simultaneous interaction from thousands of other
On Friday, May 7, 2010, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote:
We're aiming in this mailing list to shape the futur of the human
knowledge through the foundation, right? So it is right to talk about
the future, it's not an arrogance.
Of course, any affirmation about the future must be considered an
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Milos Rancic wrote:
The MMORPG Ryzom goes Free Software [1]. Although it was just a matter
of time, this event is very important for shaping our future. MMORPG
is virtual reality and VR worlds will be [a significant
Hello,
2010/5/7 Noein prono...@gmail.com:
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Please stop any sarcasm. There are ideas worth the consideration, as
with any newly available technological tool.
We're aiming in this mailing list to shape the futur of the human
knowledge through the
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote:
To that end, does anyone know what happened to that project to embed
3D models of chemical compounds?
... or .. to render sheet music...
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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
2010/5/7 Noein prono...@gmail.com:
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Now, one of the unsolved questions of the WMF is: how do we plan to
communicate with analphabets?
Thinking that analphabets would get
Intersting, this thread evolved into a good discussion.
The way I see it, VR does has potential, as some have pointed out. There
are current practical applications for it.
On the other hand, it's not here yet. Some that subscribe to the list have
met me offline and know that I communicate with
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Milos Rancic wrote:
The MMORPG Ryzom goes Free Software [1]. Although it was just a matter
of time, this event is very important for shaping our future. MMORPG
is virtual reality and VR worlds will be [a significant
Gerard,
this statement surprises me.
Why was the foundation involved in the localization of Freecol, a game with
little or no historic information (compared with other historic games such
as europa universalis)?
kind regards,
Teun
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
I am talking about the Wikimedia MOVEMENT and am not restricting myself to
the foundation...
Thanks,
GerardM
On 7 May 2010 17:08, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard,
this statement surprises me.
Why was the foundation involved in the localization of Freecol, a game
Dnia 06.05.2010 Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de napisał/a:
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On 7 May 2010 16:08, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote:
this statement surprises me.
Why was the foundation involved in the localization of Freecol, a game with
little or no historic information (compared with other historic games such
as europa universalis)?
translatewiki is not a
As some of you may know, Jimbo has recently used his standing in the
community to dictate that Commons should not host porn. [1][2][3] He
has interpreted this to include a wide swath of images both
photographic and illustrative, and both contemporary and historical.
In principle, I agree that
Hi,
I would like to point you to:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaannounce-l/2010-May/08.html
Jan-Bart de Vreede
Vice Chair Wikimedia Board of Trustees
Wikimedia Foundation
On 7 mei 2010, at 21:23, Robert Rohde wrote:
As some of you may know, Jimbo has recently used his
Distributing this more widely, since apparently the forwarding from
announce-l still has issues. The Board of Trustees has directed me to
release the following statement:
The Wikimedia Foundation projects aim to bring the sum of human
knowledge to every person on the planet. To that end, our
I found out about this from Larry Sanger's mailing list. Larry has
reported the child pornography images on Commons to the FBI, as is the
duty of any citizen, and has apparently appeared on Fox News with respect
to the subject.
I certainly have noticed occasional questionable images, the explicit
On 7 May 2010 20:30, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi,
I would like to point you to:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaannounce-l/2010-May/08.html
My interpretation of that is that Jimmy's unilateral deletions are not
done with the support of the rest of the
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 May 2010 20:30, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi,
I would like to point you to:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaannounce-l/2010-May/08.html
My interpretation of that is
Hi,
Speaking for myself I can state that Jimmy is a part of the community and that
the board statement is in support of both his and the other administrators who
have taken the initiative to clean up commons.
Also, I would refer you to Jimmy's talk page on commons, as there is an active
On 7 May 2010 20:45, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi,
Speaking for myself I can state that Jimmy is a part of the community and
that the board statement is in support of both his and the other
administrators who have taken the initiative to clean up commons.
Also, I
HI,
Before calling it a night I would like to point out the final paragraph of the
statement.
In saying this, we don't intend to create new policy, but rather to reaffirm
and support policy that already exists. We encourage Wikimedia editors to
scrutinize potentially offensive materials with
On 7 May 2010 20:56, Jan-Bart de Vreede janb...@wikimedia.org wrote:
HI,
Before calling it a night I would like to point out the final paragraph of
the statement.
In saying this, we don't intend to create new policy, but rather to reaffirm
and support policy that already exists. We
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
janb...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Speaking for myself I can state that Jimmy is a part of the community and
that the board statement is in support of both his and the other
administrators who have taken the initiative to clean up commons.
Also,
The primary reason that several weeks back I became involved in the Common's
discussions about sexually explicit content is my work with the strategic
planning process for WMF. During the strategic plannings discussions, I
became acutely aware of the problems with the lack of diversity among WMF
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 May 2010 16:08, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote:
this statement surprises me.
Why was the foundation involved in the localization of Freecol, a game with
little or no historic information (compared with other
I try to understand what happened, but I'm not sure whether the pieces
that I found so far add up.
* Larry Sanger is mad about Wikimedia. [apparent]
* Larry Sanger notifies the FBI and tells them Wikimedia hosts child
porn. [affirmed]
* The FBI is rather unimpressed and does not take swift
Hooray for letting American prurience and Larry Sanger's oddities shape the
project. To be expected, though.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote:
The primary reason that several weeks back I became involved in the
Common's
discussions about sexually
Hoi,
I learned about the imminence of this announcement and as I often do I
blogged about it. As you will read I am in favour of scrutinizing much of
the material that is largely irrelevant. At the same time there are
historical reasons why we should not go overboard and remove much of the
This is nuts. Literally, nothing has changed. Stuff on Wikimedia
sites needs to be either educational or aimed at furthering the goals
of the project and the foundation. We don't host articles about my
her breasts or his penis, and we don't need to host images of them
either. Arguing otherwise
On 7 May 2010 21:42, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote:
This is nuts. Literally, nothing has changed. Stuff on Wikimedia
sites needs to be either educational or aimed at furthering the goals
of the project and the foundation. We don't host articles about my
her breasts or his
Hoi,
There is a board message about this that is completely in line with what
Jimmy mentioned. When you consider that because of many of those images that
should have remained private the whole Wikmedia domain has been blogged, we
really have to consider how we deal with this issue.
The first
On 7 May 2010 21:56, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
There is a board message about this that is completely in line with what
Jimmy mentioned. When you consider that because of many of those images that
should have remained private the whole Wikmedia domain has been
On 7 May 2010 21:56, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
There is a board message about this that is completely in line with what
Jimmy mentioned. When you consider that because of many of those images that
should have remained private the whole Wikmedia domain has been
It still works, it's just harder. And I'm totally with you on the
second point. Jimmy got a needed process started. Could he have
started it a different, less dramatic way? Probably. Would that have
been better? Probably. As effective? Probably not. If you're
looking to masturbate,
On 7 May 2010 20:30, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
Having said that, the Wikimedia projects are intended to be educational
in nature, and there is no place in the projects for material that has
no educational or informational value.
Err the user namespace? the project namespace?
Amory Meltzer hett schreven:
This is nuts. Literally, nothing has changed. Stuff on Wikimedia
sites needs to be either educational or aimed at furthering the goals
of the project and the foundation. We don't host articles about my
her breasts or his penis, and we don't need to host images
Hoi,
We apparently disagree on this. The ban of the complete Wikimedia domain
from Iran happened some time ago and nothing was considered. This issue has
been raised several times and the amount of content that is inappropriate
because it adds nothing to what is already there is high.
Let me be
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.comwrote:
This is nuts. Literally, nothing has changed. Stuff on Wikimedia
sites needs to be either educational or aimed at furthering the goals
of the project and the foundation. We don't host articles about my
her breasts
On 7 May 2010 22:27, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
Is there some particular reason for using that as an example?
Only in that it's the one I'm aware of from old BLP debates. The
statement makes exactly the same error as was being made then. Making
a statement supposedly about all
It's another time we have a problem which would hypothetically fall
into the scope of some global arbcom, but since it does not exist,
I'm still not sure there's the correct way to handle such situations.
I hope that Jimbo and Board will be able to make things settle down.
Petition [1] seems to be
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't actually see what the problem is necessarily in deleting it.
It's called editorial judgment, and as I have been telling people for
years and years on Wikipedia, editorial judgment =/= censorship. You
may write
What I can say to your questions is that Jimmy informed the board about
his intention and asked the board for support. Don't speaking for other
board members, just speak for myself. I answered his mail with that I
fully support his engagement.
Personally, I think that the board is responsible
Doing something good in the worst possible way. Is this not completely par
for the course for Wikimedia? Few people should be surprised.
MZMcBride
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On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:30:18PM -0700, Michael Snow wrote:
Having said that, the Wikimedia projects are intended to be educational
in nature, and there is no place in the projects for material that has
no educational or informational value. In saying this, we don't intend
to create new
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 06:21:38PM -0400, MZMcBride wrote:
Doing something good in the worst possible way. Is this not completely par
for the course for Wikimedia? Few people should be surprised.
MZMcBride: You could re-state that in a more positive way:
We are happy that some initiative is
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
What I can say to your questions is that Jimmy informed the board about
his intention and asked the board for support. Don't speaking for other
board members, just speak for myself. I answered his mail with that I
fully
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 15:15, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
For me, this statement is at the first line a support for Jimmy's
effort. It is a soft push from the board to the community to move in a
direction.
The problem is that what Jimmy is doing on Commons isn't a soft push.
It's a
Updated April 27, 2010
Wikipedia Distributing Child Porn, Co-Founder Tells FBI
The parent company of Wikipedia is knowingly distributing child
pornography, the co-founder of the online encyclopedia says, and he's
imploring the FBI to investigate.
Hoi,
There has been a need to address these things. Let us be clear, there is no
need for speedy deletions, there is time to have the ordinary deletion
process. Let us be equally clear that there is no room for business as usual
because not only have things gone bad and bans like the current
You read that article, and what you got from it is that *Eric* is
being unfair? Wow.
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Ting Chen hett schreven:
For me, this statement is at the first line a support for Jimmy's
effort. It is a soft push from the board to the community to move in a
direction.
Not my definition of a soft push.
In my opinion it's not the task of board or foundation to push the
community in any
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 06:49:06PM -0400, Nathan wrote:
You read that article, and what you got from it is that *Eric* is
being unfair? Wow.
I think he means they're being unfair to Eric :-)
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On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:30:18PM -0700, Michael Snow wrote:
announce-l still has issues. The Board of Trustees has directed me to
release the following statement:
Just to be sure:
Are there no other statements that have been made by the board
or are being planned to be made by the board on
When I heard that Jimmy had taken an axe to explicit images on commons,
I thought it was good news as I've been frustrated and disappointed by
my own inability to convince the commons community that some things,
like the bulk copying of erotic imagery from flickr— hundreds of
images with little to
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Thank you for this analysis, Milos. I think you should definitely take
the time to explain yourself more often since 1/ your bold statements
are not unanimously intuitive 2/ we need to share visions, skills and
knowledge to understand what we're
On 7 May 2010 16:07, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:30:18PM -0700, Michael Snow wrote:
announce-l still has issues. The Board of Trustees has directed me to
release the following statement:
Just to be sure:
Are there no other statements that have been
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Kim, the board (and I) have been talking about this for the past
couple of days, and we'll continue to talk about it over the next
couple of weeks. I think it's fairly likely there will be some kind
of statement or
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This, my friends, beyond the porn debate, is an important lesson about
the vulnerability of wikipedia.
You just have to threaten or convince Mr. Wales to control or shutdown
the entire project. The whole community is powerless.
When this crisis is
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 5:18 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there anyone who disagrees that we need to hold to the policies:
2. that no WMF project contain material that it can not legally contain.
Legally contain according to what laws?
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A technical and sincerely genuine question about this list. Is somebody,
some bot or some site synthesizing our emailed discussion, or is
everything vanishing as soon as it is spoken?
In this last case, shouldn't we keep an organized trace of the
Kim Bruning wrote:
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:30:18PM -0700, Michael Snow wrote:
announce-l still has issues. The Board of Trustees has directed me to
release the following statement:
Just to be sure:
Are there no other statements that have been made by the board
or are being planned to
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/thread.html
Everything is archived.
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Gregory Maxwell wrote:
By in my first few clicks on Jimmy's deletion log I instantly found
several hundred year old works of art by artists who have articles in
almost every major language Wikipedia.
I confess I found a certain poignancy in reading the article
on one of the victims.
One thing which I would have wished the Board's statement to address is the
need for some sort of content rating and filtering system that will enable
parents, schools and libraries to screen out content unsuitable for minors.
Anyone giving minors access to Commons presently also gives them
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
By in my first few clicks on Jimmy's deletion log I instantly found
several hundred year old works of art by artists who have articles in
almost every major language Wikipedia.
I confess I found a certain poignancy in reading the
It seems like Fox News can't get enough. Fox News has a history of being the
opposite of its so-called fair and balance reporting. I think that they went
too far with saying that“Wikipedia’s continued interest in child sexual
exploitation is troubling not only because the site hosts some
Marcus Buck wrote:
Amory Meltzer hett schreven:
This is nuts. Literally, nothing has changed. Stuff on Wikimedia
sites needs to be either educational or aimed at furthering the goals
of the project and the foundation. We don't host articles about my
her breasts or his penis, and we
Fred Bauder wrote:
Yes, Category:Women facing left
A caricature of a Catholic saint using a dildo but used on Wikipedias in
3 languages to illustrate the article dildo. I'm not a student of
Teresa of Ávila but it seems rather unlikely she did a lot of wanton
stuff with dildos. Not that there
The only existing US law that I think Commons might possibly not be
complying with is the requirement to ensure that the models of some
pictures are not minors; to what extent these provisions might be
retroactive, IANAL, much less a specialist in these matters, is
something that I do not know.
I can't follow your reasoning there. Ensuring that Commons can be safely
viewed by minors is not censorship, in my opinion. I am actually fine with
uncensored pornographic content for adults, but I think we will end up
cutting ourselves off from the younger generation if we don't cooperate
with
Hello,
2010/5/7 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
2010/5/7 Noein prono...@gmail.com:
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Now, one of the unsolved questions of the WMF is: how do we
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:
... I see no reason why we should cooperate
with censorship, however well intentioned.
I think cooperation with censorship is the only safe ground.
If we perform censorship ourselves, the quality of our projects
suffers
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