[Foundation-l] Flagged Protection update for May 20

2010-05-21 Thread William Pietri
As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update. The quick summary is that we are continuing with pre-rollout activities, including UI polish, text and naming cleanup, and rollout planning. One important milestone passed is that Tim Starling has looked over the code and done some

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-21 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some thoughts, not aiming at anybody in particular. The pressure from Fox News, the childish founders' jealousies, the void FBI threats, the patriarch complex of Mr. Wales, if they're real, should be of no inflated importance. Our personal tastes

[Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread Daniel ~ Leinad
Hello, On Bugzilla I reported my observations about changes in FlaggedRevs extension: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23615 I am unhappy that you attempting to enable FlaggedRevs on en.wiki, you forget about other projects. Regards, Daniel aka Leinad

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread putevod
On Fri, 21 May 2010 15:22:19 +0200, Daniel ~ Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, On Bugzilla I reported my observations about changes in FlaggedRevs extension: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23615 I am unhappy that you attempting to enable FlaggedRevs on en.wiki, you

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread Daniel ~ Leinad
I thought it is up to the community how the interface is translated into Polish. It is not problem in translation to one language. There is problem in source language. All translations should have the same sense as in source language. Leinad ___

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread putevod
On Fri, 21 May 2010 15:50:32 +0200, Daniel ~ Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it is up to the community how the interface is translated into Polish. It is not problem in translation to one language. There is problem in source language. All translations should have the same

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread Chad
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:02 AM, putevod pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010 15:50:32 +0200, Daniel ~ Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it is up to the community how the interface is translated into Polish. It is not problem in translation to one language. There is

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread William Pietri
On 05/21/2010 07:16 AM, Chad wrote: All aspects of the interface are indeed configurable, like you said. And this is useful when projects want to tweak the wording or add additional information. They should not be used to illustrate different concepts across the different languages though.

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread Chad
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:32 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: On the other hand, I think for FlaggedRevs the implied link between languages is weaker than a lot of other bits of MediaWiki. The FlaggedRevs extension is extremely configurable, and on top of the technological model

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread William Pietri
On 05/21/2010 08:51 AM, Chad wrote: There are two things wrong here. The first is attempting to reuse messages for different purposes. If the workflow and ideas behind the UI are different, then there need to be different messages, not changing of ones that work just fine and make plenty of

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: We're very aware of the power of names. For those who have been following my updates or the status of tasks in Tracker, you may have noticed that a text and naming task has been in progress for weeks. That's because

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs - Do you forget about other projects?

2010-05-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.comwrote: We're very aware of the power of names. For those who have been following my updates or the status of tasks in Tracker, you may have noticed

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-21 Thread wiki-list
David Goodman wrote: all of these problems are with other people than us. Our copyright license permits commercial use, and does not apply to any potential problems other than copyright. This has nothing to do with our licensing. The reason nobody has answered this before is that it is

[Foundation-l] Amidst all the chaos...

2010-05-21 Thread Delphine Ménard
...we should not forget, that there are on Commons some of the most beautiful images I've ever seen in my entire life. Free. As in Speech. A look at the lists for the Picture of the Year should convince you of that. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2009/Galleries

Re: [Foundation-l] Amidst all the chaos...

2010-05-21 Thread AGK
2010/5/21 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: ...we should not forget, that there are on Commons some of the most beautiful images I've ever seen in my entire life. Well said. AGK ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, As William alluded to, a bunch of us have been studying the user interface for Flagged Protections and figuring out how to make it more intuitive. In trying to solve the user interface problems as well as generally figuring out how we're going to talk about this feature to the world

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Might help to sum up what exactly it does or how it's used (2-4 bullet points) so that people trying to pick a name to match its features but haven't followed the lengthy debate, are up to date on it. That's fair. Here's the

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-21 Thread Stillwater Rising
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:54 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The foundation does not own and operate the site in the way that Fox news owns and operates their site. The foundation merely ensures that the site operates, functions, runs. It does not edit the contents of the site. That is the

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread MZMcBride
Rob Lanphier wrote: In trying to solve the user interface problems as well as generally figuring out how we're going to talk about this feature to the world at large, it became clear that the name Flagged Protections doesn't adequately describe the technology as it looks to readers and

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 May 2010 01:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: In trying to solve the user interface problems as well as generally figuring out how we're going to talk about this feature to the world at large, it became clear that the name Flagged Protections doesn't adequately

Re: [Foundation-l] Amidst all the chaos...

2010-05-21 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Here here. There is a tactical map of 18th century Boston by Lt. Page of the British Army on commons that I really am just blown away by. I believe it is a featured picture, if anyone is interested. Also I saw a brilliant photo of a homeless person in Philidelphia that could have been put on a

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread David Levy
MZMcBride wrote: Stop, take a deep breath, and look at the big picture: nobody cares. Most users don't edit. Most users who do edit won't care what the feature is called. Nobody cares. And I think you're a pretty smart guy who already realizes this, so I'm curious why there seems to be

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-21 Thread wjhonson
Your over-broad reading of this law would effectively gut that other law which states that a host company is not responsible for what people are hosting. Wouldn't it? Unless you're going to support what appears to be an unsupportable platform that child porn (or whatever you want to call

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread William Pietri
On 05/21/2010 05:54 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Stop, take a deep breath, and look at the big picture: nobody cares. Most users don't edit. Most users who do edit won't care what the feature is called. Nobody cares. And I think you're a pretty smart guy who already realizes this, so I'm curious why

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: implementation, and there's no flagging in the proposed configuration. Additionally, protection in our world implies no editing whereas this [snip]   - Must not introduce obsolete terminology (e.g. there's no flagging in  

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-21 Thread Mike Godwin
Stillwater Rising writes: Hosting these images without 18 USC 2257(A) records, in my opinion, is a * no-win* situation for everyone involved. This raises the obvious question of how you interpret 18 USC 2257A(g), which refers back to 18 USC 2257(h) (including in particular 18 USC

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On May 21, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2010 01:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: In trying to solve the user interface problems as well as generally figuring out how we're going to talk about this feature to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-21 Thread Still Waterising
I was just about to post that same section. From 2257(h)(2)(B)) exception to record keeping: (v) the transmission, storage, retrieval, hosting, formatting, or translation (or any combination thereof) of a communication, without selection or alteration of the content of the communication,