Re: [Foundation-l] The High Priests of Wikipedia

2010-06-09 Thread Lodewijk
something that remains always underrepresented in articles about wikipedia: we are WORLD CHAMPION in [[side tracking]]! 2010/6/8 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Okay, okay. Didn't mean to start a discussion about the nature of the Catholic Church. Just meant that it's not what most

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-09 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Michael Snow wrote: There have been a lot of red herrings brought up on all sides of that issue. Use of images in a context that is on-topic and educational is clearly one of those, although I would suggest that we can do better at supporting reader choice, because it's really the reader we

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The WMF has as its strategy to invest in what has the highest impact. Given limited resources that makes sense. It also means that while philosophically as volunteers we do not have to make such choices, the WMF will and does. It is obvious that depending on your point of view, the choices

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2010 03:28, Aryeh Gregor wrote: I recall reading that IBM improved its participation in the Linux kernel community by getting rid of all internal communications among its kernel developers, meaning they had to use the public project

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread Austin Hair
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Make sure that every paid developer spends time dealing with the community.  This can include giving support to end users, discussing things with volunteers, reviewing patches, etc.  They should be doing this

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/9/2010 12:12 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: Michael Snow wrote: There have been a lot of red herrings brought up on all sides of that issue. Use of images in a context that is on-topic and educational is clearly one of those, although I would suggest that we can do better at

Re: [Foundation-l] Chief of Office of Wikimedia Serbia

2010-06-09 Thread susanpgardner
Me too -- I'll look forward to seeing you. And congratulations again to Wikimedia Serbia -- we'll do whatever we can to support your work :-) -Original Message- From: Juliana da Costa José juli...@vikimedija.org Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:53:00 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread James Heilman
I think the idea that Aryeh Gregor brought up is incredible. We should follow the strategy use by IBM in helping develop Linux. Open all discussion to the Wikimedia community will bring the power of Wikipedia's collaborative process to the operations of of Wikimedia. Volunteers would get

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: It's not specific to Wikimedia, it's practically universal in open-source development.  To get it to happen, you need pushing from the top: formally stating it as part of people's job duties (so they don't feel

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread teun spaans
IBMs decision to get rid of all internal communication sounds to me as a very good practice for us. It also fits in well with the wikipedia culture of consensus in decision making. Following this comm. strategy involves the large volunteer community, and taps on the vast knowledge of our

[Foundation-l] Office Hour for Friday, June 11, featuring Mike Godwin

2010-06-09 Thread Cary Bass
Hey everyone! On Friday, June 11, the Office Hour will once again be hosted by Mike Godwin, Legal counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation, who you can read about at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin Office hours are from 2230 to 2330 UTC (3:30 PM to 4:30 PM PST). If you do not

[Foundation-l] WMF investment strategy

2010-06-09 Thread John Vandenberg
subject was: Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2 On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The WMF has as its strategy to invest in what has the highest impact. Where is this stated? Who decides what has the

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Friday, June 11, featuring Mike Godwin

2010-06-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 June 2010 01:13, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey everyone! On Friday, June 11, the Office Hour will once again be hosted by Mike Godwin, Legal counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation, who you can read about at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin As interesting as

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Friday, June 11, featuring Mike Godwin

2010-06-09 Thread susanpgardner
Thanks Thomas. I'm happy to do office hours -- Cary can schedule me in any time I'm free, via James. (I can probably do it pre-Wikimania, I think.) -Original Message- From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:26:31 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-09 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
phoebe ayers wrote: I adore the word pellucid. But Gerard is right: simply put we can't and don't do everything. We don't make every piece of information available to every single person in the world -- yet. I do admit that many actors in the wikimedia universe have been forced to retreat

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: It's not specific to Wikimedia, it's practically universal in open-source development. To get it to happen, you need pushing from the top: formally stating it as part of people's

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF investment strategy

2010-06-09 Thread susanpgardner
Hi John, Yes, the 2010-11 plan is rooted in the strategy. We're wrapping it up in the office today -- it goes to the Board tonight, and, post-approval, will be published within a few weeks. Maybe I can do IRC office hours once it's published -- it'd be a good meaty topic :-) Thanks, Sue

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF investment strategy

2010-06-09 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:49 AM, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, Yes, the 2010-11 plan is rooted in the strategy.  We're wrapping it up in the office today -- it goes to the Board tonight, and, post-approval, will be published within a few weeks. Maybe I can do IRC office hours

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread MZMcBride
Rob Lanphier wrote: So, I'll start chipping in my work at the page Erik has started: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Product_Development_Process_Ideas You all really just don't get it, do you? Part of the problem is that the usability wiki is viewed as a walled garden. Your solution is to

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-09 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:08 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Rob Lanphier wrote: So, I'll start chipping in my work at the page Erik has started: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Product_Development_Process_Ideas You all really just don't get it, do you? Part of the problem is

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF investment strategy

2010-06-09 Thread susanpgardner
Yeah, I hear you, John. I wouldn't characterize it myself as a systemic problem, but I think I get the gist of what you're saying. I have my own opinions, but I don't think I'll post them here (at least, not tonight, and not while walking down the street). They'd be easier to talk through in

[Foundation-l] Fwd: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia

2010-06-09 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
Forwarded on behalf of a non-list-member. The question pertains to translation of trademarks within articles; to my knowledge, there's nothing wrong with us doing so, and I think this is done in many Wikipedias. But I'll defer to the list on this question. -- Forwarded message

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia

2010-06-09 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I think the immediate question would be this: Ignoring the question of trademark infringement for the moment, what way would the Persian Wikipedia WANT to do it? Is there a standard that is used for non-trademarked things when there is no Persian word in existence to describe the title? For

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia

2010-06-09 Thread Shiju Alex
The best option according to us (Malayalam Wikipedians - http://ml.wikipedia.org) is to use the second option for the article titles . That is, transliterate the keyword to your language. There is no copyright issue attached with that, I suppose. We do that throughout our daily life. For example,