[Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Teofilo
What would you think about an automobile repair shop, when you discover after you try the car again that you can no longer remove the key and stop the engine ? This what happened on the Spanish Wikipedia where I logged in and found out that the logout link (Salir in Spanish) is hidden behind the

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Domas Mituzas
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: What would you think about an automobile repair shop, when you discover after you try the car again that you can no longer remove the key and stop the engine ? that perpetuum mobile exists, I'd be grateful for it. there're

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Brandon Harris
On 6/15/10 12:17 AM, Teofilo wrote: I finally found out how to log out, and I sometimes use different web browsers, but it is difficult to say this is a nice experience. Hello! As I'm certain you know, the testing of all browser/operating system/resolution/language

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/15/2010 09:27 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: What would you think about an automobile repair shop, when you discover after you try the car again that you can no longer remove the key and stop the engine ? that perpetuum

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Teofilo
2010/6/15, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org: Could you provide me with the exact operating system and browser versions you are using? Thanks. I replied at

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-15 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Thomas Dalton wrote: On 15 June 2010 00:20, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 June 2010 00:17, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: You are claiming the law is complicated. But the facts are plain and simple, and no amount of FUDD is going to support a view

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Teofilo
2010/6/15, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com: there're some better ways to report problems though, like http://bugs.wikimedia.org/ Yes. So the topic for a talk on the foundation list would be : should Wikipedia stop to support older computers or older web browsers like Internet Explorer 6 ?

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread henna
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:36, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/15, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com: there're some better ways to report problems though, like http://bugs.wikimedia.org/ Yes. So the topic for a talk on the foundation list would be : should Wikipedia stop to

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! Yes. So the topic for a talk on the foundation list would be : should Wikipedia stop to support older computers or older web browsers like Internet Explorer 6 ? Older web browsers - maybe, if the cost to maintain becomes too high. In many cases definite answers are quite difficult, as

[Foundation-l] Usability: page weight

2010-06-15 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
Forwarded. -- Forwarded message -- From: Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:57 AM Subject: Usability: page weight To: foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello, While we are talking about usability issues, I would like to mention an issue which was not

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: page weight

2010-06-15 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarded. -- Forwarded message -- From: Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:57 AM Subject: Usability: page weight To: foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello, While

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Platonides
Teofilo wrote: 2010/6/15, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org: Could you provide me with the exact operating system and browser versions you are using? Thanks. I replied at

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: page weight

2010-06-15 Thread Yann Forget
Hello, 2010/6/15 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com: I am now surfing most of time with a 3G key with a bandwidth of 16 KB/s maximum, and often less. My experience of Wikimedia sites compared with the other websites I am using regularly, GMail and Facebook, shows that these load much

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: page weight

2010-06-15 Thread Roan Kattouw
Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral...@... writes: Page weight is a major hurdle for working on any Wikimedia sites affecting users who do not enjoy a broadband connection. And I believe that small wikis with non-European languages are more affected than others (a study would be interesting here). For

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Teofilo
2010/6/15, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com: Well, there're no incentives for keeping old cars, as they emit more CO2, are noisier, etc. Old computers are similar What a pity they are not similar to old sewing machines, old vacuum cleaners, old electric ovens, or old tables or old chairs.

Re: [Foundation-l] Creating articles in small wikipedias based on user requirement

2010-06-15 Thread Excirial
*STOP* Two-third of this thread is already related to off-topic bickering about mailing list regulations and whatnot. Move that stuff to a separate threat if you wish to keep discussing it, but don't keep derailing a sensible thread further. Thank you. *On-Topic* We left off arguing with the

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say usability ?

2010-06-15 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! What a pity they are not similar to old sewing machines, old vacuum cleaners, old electric ovens, or old tables or old chairs. I'm sorry that I have to say that (I really feel sorry!), but you sir are an idiot, and that explains your old PC problem too, a bit, in a way. I'm sorry if you

[Foundation-l] Pending Changes: looking good for tonight

2010-06-15 Thread William Pietri
Just wanted to give everybody a quick update on Pending Changes. Basically, it looks like we're in good shape for going live on the English Wikipedia shortly. We rolled the new code yesterday afternoon Pacific time. We've had a few hiccups, but everything seems well in hand. The biggest issue

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Pending Changes launched on English Wikipedia

2010-06-15 Thread William Pietri
I thought these lists were subscribed to the announcements list, but apparently not. Apologies if a duplicate turns up later. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Foundation-l] Pending Changes launched on English Wikipedia

2010-06-15 Thread William Pietri
Hmm... Forwarding messages as attachments clearly doesn't work, either. Perhaps the third time will be the charm. Sorry for the mess. William Original Message Subject:Pending Changes launched on English Wikipedia Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:03:40 -0700 From: