Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Muhammad Yahia
Hello, I am not the only one that keep my contributions confidential. There is another member of the LC who has good personal reasons to have the contributions not publicly available. The reason is that there may be repercussions in the professional sphere. When this was discussed in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 26/08/2010 00:01: It's true that the work of the Language Community stands out as one of the few areas of community participation (in that the LangCom members are not employees of the WMF) closed to public or community observation. Few? There are some ten private community wikis

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: The backlash had the potential of stopping all new Wikipedias in any language. To prevent this from happening, the language committee and its policy were created. This policy was accepted by the board of

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 August 2010 04:54, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: I am not the only one that keep my contributions confidential. There is another member of the LC who has good personal reasons to have the contributions not publicly available. The reason is that there may be

Re: [Foundation-l] Page eliminators at ptwiki

2010-08-26 Thread GoEthe.wiki
In the ptwiki case, members of the group eliminate the page themselves. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Other members of the LC can confirm to you that there is little need to discuss things on our list. Most mails are boringly business like. When you find the explanation provided not enough, then that is tough. At the time we were really happy to gain a new member with its qualifications. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 26.08.2010 14:20, hett Gerard Meijssen schreven: Hoi, Other members of the LC can confirm to you that there is little need to discuss things on our list. Most mails are boringly business like. If it's boring there is no reason to keep it secret. So no argument for your position. When

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 August 2010 14:50, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: What has a limited remit to do with transparency? The things you do in your limited remit are extremely relevant to some groups. Our mailing lists should be public whenever possible so people have the chance to object to wrong or

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is opportunistic to drop someone who helped when it was most needed because of some people arguing for this. In my opinion this is extremely bad form. Thanks, GerardM On 26 August 2010 15:50, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: An'n 26.08.2010 14:20, hett Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Muhammad Yahia
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, It is opportunistic to drop someone who helped when it was most needed because of some people arguing for this. In my opinion this is extremely bad form. Thanks, GerardM I think this has already

[Foundation-l] Research Committee launched

2010-08-26 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, I'm pleased to announce the launch of the Wikimedia Foundation research committee, with 11 initial members. You can find more information and bios here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_Committee The purpose of the committee is to help organize policies, practices and

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, That is an argument I do not agree with. Thanks, GerardM On 26 August 2010 19:59, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, It is opportunistic to drop someone who helped when it was

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 August 2010 19:13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: I think this has already been answered. Quoting Marcus below: You try to make it appear like an attack on a single person. It's not about removing any person from the committee, we just want them to be transparent and

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Marcus Buck
Gerard, would you be so kind and post a message on your mailing list informing your co-members about this discussion and inviting them to join in with their opinions? Would be especially nice to hear from Karen! Is that okay? Marcus Buck User:Slomox

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Blatant: without any attempt at concealment; completely obvious (Wordnet). I do not need an excuse, I did better; I provided an explanation. An explanation that you care not to accept. I have also pointed out that I am unwilling to drop people who have helped out for opportunistic reasons.

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Jesse (Pathoschild)
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone else from the language committee offer a credible explanation of their special requirement for secrecy? Surely if this is a requirement, it can be explained, as Gerard did not. Hello David, There are some cases

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Muhammad Yahia
Hi Jesse, There are some cases where confidentiality is necessary. We routinely ask external experts for their evaluation of the test project content before project approval, as Yaroslav mentioned early in this discussion. These external persons are sometimes in situations where speaking

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Bence Damokos
-Original Message- From: Jesse (Pathoschild) Date: 2010. augusztus 26. 21:29 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone else from the language

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 26.08.2010 21:29, hett Jesse (Pathoschild) schreven: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:14 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone else from the language committee offer a credible explanation of their special requirement for secrecy? Surely if this is a requirement, it can be

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread David Gerard
I've just been chatting with Gerard about this issue. He explained in some detail the concerns for confidentiality - the situation is far from ideal, but is the present workable solution to getting accurate quality information without possible retribution drected at those giving the information

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Let us have a sense of history here. When the language committee started, there were no linguists or other experts members on the committee. We were really happy when we got someone who is part of the standard bodies that are relevant to what we do. It meant that we had a way to assess what

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Muhammad Yahia
I finally understand. User:Karen (I am assuming, based on other ppl's remarks) opinions might affect her employment, and in an effort to conceal her opinions, Gerard is keeping his contribution confidential. Thus rendering it very hard for anyone to follow the threads and deduce what she may have

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 August 2010 22:48, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote: I personally don't agree with this. I believe a person with such problematic employment situation is not a good fit for a supposedly community committee. And even if there is a great need for this person's expertise, other

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Muhammad Yahia
A tricky bit appears to be when expertise is offered on the basis that it is confidential, due to fear of attacks on the expert in question from aggrieved nationalists. It's not clear how to work around that one. But is that the case with committee members? I totally understand and agree

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 26.08.2010 23:21, hett Gerard Meijssen schreven: Hoi, Let us have a sense of history here. When the language committee started, there were no linguists or other experts members on the committee. We were really happy when we got someone who is part of the standard bodies that are

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 27.08.2010 00:00, hett David Gerard schreven: On 26 August 2010 22:48, Muhammad Yahiashipmas...@gmail.com wrote: I personally don't agree with this. I believe a person with such problematic employment situation is not a good fit for a supposedly community committee. And even if there

[Foundation-l] peer production software book

2010-08-26 Thread phoebe ayers
There's a new MacArthur Foundation/MIT Press book out called Peer Participation and Software: What Mozilla Has to Teach Government that I think many people here might find relevant interesting. It describes Mozilla's processes, heavily focusing on the roles of volunteer developers and evangelists